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A Mix of Brexit, an aging population, massive underinvestment in basically everything, covid mishandling and huge debt means the UK is around year 0 of a lost d

A Mix of Brexit, an aging population, massive underinvestment in basically everything, covid mishandling and huge debt means the UK is around year 0 of a lost decade. I will leave if I can.

cirrus-clouds 4y ago
On top of that, we have a zombie goverment with no solutions or urgency to tackle the cost-of-living crisis.
- LatteLazy 4y ago
  And our political system basically guarantees the same people will be in charge until Jan 2025?! 2015 me would never have believed how rapidly things could fall apart.
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parenthesis 4y ago
Don't worry! Move up here to Scotland. The SNP assures us that all our problems will be solved as soon as we are independent! (Edit: I probably shouldn't have made this comment. Let's just say I am not disagreeing with you.)
- ThePadawan 4y ago
  Thank you for still making it. I often make comments I feel I need to, and later succumb to the stupid social network reaction of "oh no 3 people downvoted it, surely that means 3 people hate me and no one agrees". Sometimes things need to be said regardless.
breckenedge 4y ago
Since this is also related to higher energy prices, do you think the invasion on Ukraine is also a contributing factor? Although if that were the case, we’d also see as high of inflation in other European countries?
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  Moving to a European country with less industry and a moderate climate closer to the Med would blunt energy costs for someone (lower energy demand = less energy spend).
- rsynnott 4y ago
  That's definitely a contributor, but, as you say, it's generally worse in the UK than in other large European countries. This whole thing is a bit of a perfect storm for the UK.
  - automatic6131 4y ago
    Have you heard of the plight of an even larger European country? Hint: it rhymes with Burmany. It's bad in the UK, to imagine it's the worst in the UK vs Europe is to show your ignorance.
    - rsynnott 4y ago
      Germany's warning that inflation may hit or slightly exceed 10% by end of year, which, to be clear, is very bad, but is less bad than 18.6%.
- weberer 4y ago
  Yes, we're seeing inflation rates across the board above 10%, which is where the UK sits today. Estonia is the highest at 23%. https://www.statista.com/statistics/225698/monthly-inflation-rate-in-eu-countries/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/225698/monthly-inflation...
- Throwawayaerlei 4y ago
  CF Industries shut down their two nitrogen fertilizer plants in the U.K. back in September 2021 due to high natural gas prices.
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twelfthnight 4y ago
Honest question: Where would you go?
- Aromasin 4y ago
  I've recently started the move over to the Netherlands. The things that were keeping me in the UK (the last vestiges of our socialist governmental policies) have been torn to shreds by the current Tory government. I've also lost any hope that the British public will try to fight for it back. It feels like people are accepting a slip back into feudalism with open arms.
- azangru 4y ago
  Peter Zeihan thinks that the US is in the best position to weather the coming years :-)
  - archagon 4y ago
    The US is at great risk of becoming an authoritarian, single-party dystopia in the coming years. (Yes, I mean the Republicans.)
- LatteLazy 4y ago
  Most places. I wouldn't work in the Middle East for moral reasons. I'd go to the US or Canada happily. I'd go to the EU. Singapore has a company office and Australia is great from what I saw on holiday. I have a chat scheduled with my boss in Sept, I might start sounding out a transfer.
throwaway6734 4y ago
I understand where you're coming from, but try not to get too pessimistic. The UK has made i through much worse and come out the other end.
- data_maan 4y ago
  Past success is not a good predictor. Probably the Roman senators at the end of the Roman Empire also thought "oh well, we've been dragging our feet lately, but somehow things will work out". I would say the most likely outcome is a further diminishing of the UKs international importance, together with some risk of Scotland breaking apart.
  - throwaway6734 4y ago
    None of the situations we face today are remotely close to the difficulty to those faced by the Romans at the end of the western empire
Latty 4y ago
I recently went to a small event for a friend, and among the 30-40 young professionals there, this was the resounding mood: the country is fucked and only getting worse, is there a way out? Just generally no one expects things to get better. Standard of living is going down the drain, building stability by buying a house comes with absurd cost. I think we are heading for a tipping point. Public services are probably already past a point where staff quitting is piling more work on those left, resulting in more people quitting. I suspect there will be a terminal snowball which guts the NHS at least and leaves it unable to function (by design of the Tories, of course). I suspect the brain drain will be similar. Young people don't want to live in some tax haven, they want a country that functions. Brexit has made it harder, but people will find a way eventually. People were talking Canada, the Netherlands, etc... (Notably for here, very much not the US which is seen as having all of the same problems the UK has).
satysin 4y ago
I moved from the UK to [redacted]. While I could not predict the pandemic nor the war in Ukraine I did expect things to get worse in the UK post-Brexit which is why when the UK voted to leave back in 2016 my wife and I started planning to move. It took a couple of years to get things all sorted and we moved in August 2018. We are actually back in the UK this week visiting family who asked if we miss living here and my wife and I just looked at each other and said "nope!" in unison. It is hard to explain it in a short post here but the UK just doesn't feel "like home" to me anymore. I am not saying [redacted] is perfect. But our quality of life is much higher in [redacted] than it was in the UK and we are both very happy we followed through and moved.

A Mix of Brexit, an aging population, massive underinvestment in basically everything, covid mishandling and huge debt means the UK is around year 0 of a lost decade. I will leave if I can.

cirrus-clouds 4y ago

On top of that, we have a zombie goverment with no solutions or urgency to tackle the cost-of-living crisis.

LatteLazy 4y ago
And our political system basically guarantees the same people will be in charge until Jan 2025?! 2015 me would never have believed how rapidly things could fall apart.
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parenthesis 4y ago

Don't worry! Move up here to Scotland. The SNP assures us that all our problems will be solved as soon as we are independent! (Edit: I probably shouldn't have made this comment. Let's just say I am not disagreeing with you.)

ThePadawan 4y ago
Thank you for still making it. I often make comments I feel I need to, and later succumb to the stupid social network reaction of "oh no 3 people downvoted it, surely that means 3 people hate me and no one agrees". Sometimes things need to be said regardless.

breckenedge 4y ago

Since this is also related to higher energy prices, do you think the invasion on Ukraine is also a contributing factor? Although if that were the case, we’d also see as high of inflation in other European countries?

toomuchtodo 4y ago
Moving to a European country with less industry and a moderate climate closer to the Med would blunt energy costs for someone (lower energy demand = less energy spend).
rsynnott 4y ago
That's definitely a contributor, but, as you say, it's generally worse in the UK than in other large European countries. This whole thing is a bit of a perfect storm for the UK.
- automatic6131 4y ago
  Have you heard of the plight of an even larger European country? Hint: it rhymes with Burmany. It's bad in the UK, to imagine it's the worst in the UK vs Europe is to show your ignorance.
  - rsynnott 4y ago
    Germany's warning that inflation may hit or slightly exceed 10% by end of year, which, to be clear, is very bad, but is less bad than 18.6%.
weberer 4y ago
Yes, we're seeing inflation rates across the board above 10%, which is where the UK sits today. Estonia is the highest at 23%. https://www.statista.com/statistics/225698/monthly-inflation-rate-in-eu-countries/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/225698/monthly-inflation...
Throwawayaerlei 4y ago
CF Industries shut down their two nitrogen fertilizer plants in the U.K. back in September 2021 due to high natural gas prices.

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twelfthnight 4y ago

Honest question: Where would you go?

Aromasin 4y ago
I've recently started the move over to the Netherlands. The things that were keeping me in the UK (the last vestiges of our socialist governmental policies) have been torn to shreds by the current Tory government. I've also lost any hope that the British public will try to fight for it back. It feels like people are accepting a slip back into feudalism with open arms.
azangru 4y ago
Peter Zeihan thinks that the US is in the best position to weather the coming years :-)
- archagon 4y ago
  The US is at great risk of becoming an authoritarian, single-party dystopia in the coming years. (Yes, I mean the Republicans.)
LatteLazy 4y ago
Most places. I wouldn't work in the Middle East for moral reasons. I'd go to the US or Canada happily. I'd go to the EU. Singapore has a company office and Australia is great from what I saw on holiday. I have a chat scheduled with my boss in Sept, I might start sounding out a transfer.

throwaway6734 4y ago

I understand where you're coming from, but try not to get too pessimistic. The UK has made i through much worse and come out the other end.

data_maan 4y ago
Past success is not a good predictor. Probably the Roman senators at the end of the Roman Empire also thought "oh well, we've been dragging our feet lately, but somehow things will work out". I would say the most likely outcome is a further diminishing of the UKs international importance, together with some risk of Scotland breaking apart.
- throwaway6734 4y ago
  None of the situations we face today are remotely close to the difficulty to those faced by the Romans at the end of the western empire

Latty 4y ago

I recently went to a small event for a friend, and among the 30-40 young professionals there, this was the resounding mood: the country is fucked and only getting worse, is there a way out? Just generally no one expects things to get better. Standard of living is going down the drain, building stability by buying a house comes with absurd cost. I think we are heading for a tipping point. Public services are probably already past a point where staff quitting is piling more work on those left, resulting in more people quitting. I suspect there will be a terminal snowball which guts the NHS at least and leaves it unable to function (by design of the Tories, of course). I suspect the brain drain will be similar. Young people don't want to live in some tax haven, they want a country that functions. Brexit has made it harder, but people will find a way eventually. People were talking Canada, the Netherlands, etc... (Notably for here, very much not the US which is seen as having all of the same problems the UK has).

satysin 4y ago

I moved from the UK to [redacted]. While I could not predict the pandemic nor the war in Ukraine I did expect things to get worse in the UK post-Brexit which is why when the UK voted to leave back in 2016 my wife and I started planning to move. It took a couple of years to get things all sorted and we moved in August 2018. We are actually back in the UK this week visiting family who asked if we miss living here and my wife and I just looked at each other and said "nope!" in unison. It is hard to explain it in a short post here but the UK just doesn't feel "like home" to me anymore. I am not saying [redacted] is perfect. But our quality of life is much higher in [redacted] than it was in the UK and we are both very happy we followed through and moved.