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With regards to your general rule statement. There has been a lot of discussion/reporting around the manufacturing and design of Tesla cars that is way behind

With regards to your general rule statement. There has been a lot of discussion/reporting around the manufacturing and design of Tesla cars that is way behind that of the likes of Toyota, Nissan and Honda. The computer systems are state of the art, but in with regards to the design and manufacturing of its chassis, Tesla has been historically behind the times. Just because Tesla doesn’t do it, doesn’t mean it’s not the right way to go.

ricw 4y ago
That may have been the case 5 years ago, but these days it’s the opposite. Look at the Munro live Tesla tear downs on YouTube, particularly the megacastings structure, the battery packs or heat pumps. It’s night and day.
- NoPicklez 4y ago
  That's great as Munro were the group who originally game them a bad wrap regarding their chassis design. My point still stands and it clearly shows that Tesla have room to improve, just like all car companies.
- suction 4y ago
  Tesla quality is still lightyears behind old premium brands. Panel gaps so wide you could use them as kiddie pools. Their scrap rates are testament of how crappy their production process is.
  - beeboop 4y ago
    Do you have a source for Tesla's scrap rates and the scrap rates for other large manufacturers?
    - suction 4y ago
      In that dreaded plant in Germany it’s a cool 60% currently: https://www.google.com/amp/s/efahrer.chip.de/news/ueber-60-prozent-ausschuss-riesenpresse-schuld-an-problemen-bei-tesla-in-berlin_108858%3Flayout%3Damp https://www.google.com/amp/s/efahrer.chip.de/news/ueber-60-p...
xbmcuser 4y ago
Partly I agree and its the reason I have been disappointed specially in Toyota trying to protect it cash cow and supply chain. They are not really getting into electric cars. Even today they are trying to hedge with hydrogen fuel cars its as they feel hydrogen cars will require the least amount of changes for their supply chain.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  Even Toyota isn't large enough to influence the market like that, they will have to cave sooner or later if they want to stay in business.
  - nly 4y ago
    Toyota are the largest car manufacturer in the world...
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      Yes, and they are still not large enough for that strategy. You could do it as a monopolist. Sony has a history of similar hubris, they always ended up adapting to the rest in the long run, usually after losing quite a big chunk of the market to upstarts.
    - doctor_eval 4y ago
      Largest car manufacturer seems to flip between Toyota and VW, but while Toyota is certainly in the top 2, it’s also far less than ½ the market.
  - lagadu 4y ago
    They already started caving in with the BZ series cars they have planned.
  - suction 4y ago
- rmason 4y ago

ricw 4y ago

That may have been the case 5 years ago, but these days it’s the opposite. Look at the Munro live Tesla tear downs on YouTube, particularly the megacastings structure, the battery packs or heat pumps. It’s night and day.

NoPicklez 4y ago
That's great as Munro were the group who originally game them a bad wrap regarding their chassis design. My point still stands and it clearly shows that Tesla have room to improve, just like all car companies.
suction 4y ago
Tesla quality is still lightyears behind old premium brands. Panel gaps so wide you could use them as kiddie pools. Their scrap rates are testament of how crappy their production process is.
- beeboop 4y ago
  Do you have a source for Tesla's scrap rates and the scrap rates for other large manufacturers?
  - suction 4y ago
    In that dreaded plant in Germany it’s a cool 60% currently: https://www.google.com/amp/s/efahrer.chip.de/news/ueber-60-prozent-ausschuss-riesenpresse-schuld-an-problemen-bei-tesla-in-berlin_108858%3Flayout%3Damp https://www.google.com/amp/s/efahrer.chip.de/news/ueber-60-p...

xbmcuser 4y ago

Partly I agree and its the reason I have been disappointed specially in Toyota trying to protect it cash cow and supply chain. They are not really getting into electric cars. Even today they are trying to hedge with hydrogen fuel cars its as they feel hydrogen cars will require the least amount of changes for their supply chain.

jacquesm 4y ago
Even Toyota isn't large enough to influence the market like that, they will have to cave sooner or later if they want to stay in business.
- nly 4y ago
  Toyota are the largest car manufacturer in the world...
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    Yes, and they are still not large enough for that strategy. You could do it as a monopolist. Sony has a history of similar hubris, they always ended up adapting to the rest in the long run, usually after losing quite a big chunk of the market to upstarts.
  - doctor_eval 4y ago
    Largest car manufacturer seems to flip between Toyota and VW, but while Toyota is certainly in the top 2, it’s also far less than ½ the market.
- lagadu 4y ago
  They already started caving in with the BZ series cars they have planned.
- suction 4y ago
rmason 4y ago