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Not even close. Psuedo-LiDAR approach is the way to go and everyone knows it. Waymo and others using LiDAR placed the wrong bet and now have nothing to show for

by gzer0 4y ago

Not even close. Psuedo-LiDAR approach is the way to go and everyone knows it. Waymo and others using LiDAR placed the wrong bet and now have nothing to show for it.

arcticbull 4y ago
Well, except not running over mannequins of kids. [1] You know, the simple stuff. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aMWERzT7SQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aMWERzT7SQ
- drcross 4y ago
  This has been completely debunked numerous times in the last week. It's a total smear campaign by a competitor.
  - hahaxdxd123 4y ago
    oh https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1557766646026084359 https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1557766646026084359
  - thedrbrian 4y ago
    >This has been completely debunked numerous times in the last week show us
chell830 4y ago
> Waymo and others using LiDAR placed the wrong bet and now have nothing to show for it. Waymo launched their commercial robo-taxi service in 2017. It’s still running today. Open to the public [1]. Meanwhile, Tesla is phasing out their FSD program. Beta-testers, 98 safety score, $15K cost, whatever, current Tesla owners are pissed off. FSD is a sinking ship, just like the Tesla/Elon brand. They used to be cool. [1] https://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/tech/2017/04/25/google-self-driving-cars-phoenix-area-residents/100875448/ https://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/tech/2017/04/...
- drcross 4y ago
  You obviously haven't seen the FSD upgrade that was released yesterday.
  - jjulius 4y ago
    The update that is only to v10.69, instead of v11 like Musk had suggested would roll out now? The same upgrade that's only rolling out to ~1k FSD-enabled customers (which is only 1% of FSD Beta customers)?
  - hahaxdxd123 4y ago
    Haven't you people been saying this for 2 years now?
  - chell830 4y ago
sschueller 4y ago
Waymo hasn't killed anyone yet. I think that is probably the most important thing to show.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 4y ago
  Waymos drive so slow, any Tesla with the same "driver" would kill anyone else.
gridder 4y ago
I hope you’re not biased since you work for Tesla’s autopilot BU. Anyway I’m no expert and I’m open to learn something. With pseudo-LiDAR do you mean photogrammetry? Following your input I may say the best approach could be then to integrate both image and LiDAR technologies to create the most trustable 3d scan. Since LiDAR measures space and distance, it can correct the other photography sensors which could be prone to some errors. I understand the cost side of scale manufacturing but you cannot cut cost in this case, the risk of fatal injuries it’s too big. Also I feel Elon decided ‘dogmatically’ to avoid LiDARs and that’s why this is the only road you are considering…
ohgodplsno 4y ago
You work on autopilot at Tesla. You are _the_ demonstration that Tesla's camera based approach is insufficient, has awful deficiencies and is a dangerous product. I wouldn't be saying much if I were you.
dmitriid 4y ago
Except, you know, in parts of the world that are not sunny California. Your camera will mean nothing in the Nordics/Canada with snow/slush/dirt on the road, and the sun shining straight at you. But sure, do tell me how you're going to ignore the laws of physics and see a road sign, a kid, or a deer when your camera is blind.

by gzer0 4y ago

Not even close. Psuedo-LiDAR approach is the way to go and everyone knows it. Waymo and others using LiDAR placed the wrong bet and now have nothing to show for it.

arcticbull 4y ago

Well, except not running over mannequins of kids. [1] You know, the simple stuff. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aMWERzT7SQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aMWERzT7SQ

drcross 4y ago
This has been completely debunked numerous times in the last week. It's a total smear campaign by a competitor.
- hahaxdxd123 4y ago
  oh https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1557766646026084359 https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1557766646026084359
- thedrbrian 4y ago
  >This has been completely debunked numerous times in the last week show us

chell830 4y ago

> Waymo and others using LiDAR placed the wrong bet and now have nothing to show for it. Waymo launched their commercial robo-taxi service in 2017. It’s still running today. Open to the public [1]. Meanwhile, Tesla is phasing out their FSD program. Beta-testers, 98 safety score, $15K cost, whatever, current Tesla owners are pissed off. FSD is a sinking ship, just like the Tesla/Elon brand. They used to be cool. [1] https://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/tech/2017/04/25/google-self-driving-cars-phoenix-area-residents/100875448/ https://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/tech/2017/04/...

drcross 4y ago
You obviously haven't seen the FSD upgrade that was released yesterday.
- jjulius 4y ago
  The update that is only to v10.69, instead of v11 like Musk had suggested would roll out now? The same upgrade that's only rolling out to ~1k FSD-enabled customers (which is only 1% of FSD Beta customers)?
- hahaxdxd123 4y ago
  Haven't you people been saying this for 2 years now?
- chell830 4y ago

sschueller 4y ago

Waymo hasn't killed anyone yet. I think that is probably the most important thing to show.

rcMgD2BwE72F 4y ago
Waymos drive so slow, any Tesla with the same "driver" would kill anyone else.

gridder 4y ago

I hope you’re not biased since you work for Tesla’s autopilot BU. Anyway I’m no expert and I’m open to learn something. With pseudo-LiDAR do you mean photogrammetry? Following your input I may say the best approach could be then to integrate both image and LiDAR technologies to create the most trustable 3d scan. Since LiDAR measures space and distance, it can correct the other photography sensors which could be prone to some errors. I understand the cost side of scale manufacturing but you cannot cut cost in this case, the risk of fatal injuries it’s too big. Also I feel Elon decided ‘dogmatically’ to avoid LiDARs and that’s why this is the only road you are considering…

ohgodplsno 4y ago

You work on autopilot at Tesla. You are _the_ demonstration that Tesla's camera based approach is insufficient, has awful deficiencies and is a dangerous product. I wouldn't be saying much if I were you.

dmitriid 4y ago

Except, you know, in parts of the world that are not sunny California. Your camera will mean nothing in the Nordics/Canada with snow/slush/dirt on the road, and the sun shining straight at you. But sure, do tell me how you're going to ignore the laws of physics and see a road sign, a kid, or a deer when your camera is blind.