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Ferrari has no choice. They’ll eventually be banned on noise pollution grounds/ be too low performance to be considered super cars if they stick with internal c

Ferrari has no choice. They’ll eventually be banned on noise pollution grounds/ be too low performance to be considered super cars if they stick with internal combustion.

speedgoose 4y ago
They actually managed to get a luxury bullshit ICE vehicles exception for the upcoming European ban of ICE cars.
AtlasBarfed 4y ago
Plaid's times around the Nurb show that when weight gets solved with solid state batteries, which is what all the high end cars will use, ICE won't be competitive. And while it's been a bit like fusion power, always a couple years away, enough is happening in solid state that it's probably happening in a couple years. Now, it might now be competitive in the mass market, where I believe sodium ion and LFP/LMFP/etc chemistries will dominate for probably a decade, but it will own the 100k+ car segment.
- dncornholio 4y ago
  You mean, plaid has terrible Nordsleife performance? Overheating, super bad brakes and they run out of charge after 1 lap. Also, the lap-record of the plaid is not impressive at all compared to ICE. The plaid lap-time was not on a standard car. They had ceramic brakes which you cannot order from Tesla. There were probably more modifications done on the car. Also, a part from the weight, the range of EV vehicles seriously needs to go up to be competitive to ICE. Plaid's Nurb lap only showed how far behind these cars really are still.
  - AtlasBarfed 4y ago
    "Plaid's Nurb lap only showed how far behind these cars really are still. " It basically has the all-drivetrain production sedan. Oh sure... Tesla doesn't offer 50 racing trims like Porsche and BMW. Whatever. Tesla did some afterthought track kit and broke the record. But... sure, go ahead and pretend it doesn't. I loved how Jalopnik commenters collectively shit their pants and called false news like they are used to from watching OAN. Good to see its still alive. You think tesla has teams of engineers devoted to cranking out racing versions of Plaid? Yeah, uh, no. That's what makes their Nurb time even funnier. It was probably a couple weekends of air kit testing and a cage retrofit. You'd have a better argument talking about how the IDR is 45 seconds off of the LMP derivative. But I think you know in the back of your head when about 10 years of forthcoming battery and motor tech gets developed... that isn't standing. Motorheads can talk about 1000HP engines and top speeds they never hit, it doesn't matter. 0-60 is owned by EVs. Quarter miles are a wash. Endurance racing? Battery swaps. Wireless charging built into the track. Who cares. Racing will need to make a decision: have all racing be like NASCAR with carburetors in the year 2010, or be at the forefront of transportation evolution and development. F1 and LMP is already behind with hybrids, those were introduced in 1997 with the Prius.
    - dncornholio 4y ago
      Electric vehicles are terrible for racing. All your arguments are things that don't even exist yet. I'm not a motorhead, I'm trying to be unbiased. The Tesla is absolutely not ready for Nurburgring laps. It did a quick time but that's just marketing. Tesla's are not race ready. Again, the brakes suck, they are terrible, dangerously so. The battery will overheat and you can't do more than one lap. Again, currently, EV is still far behind to be competitive to ICE for racing.
- mhh__ 4y ago
  On a hotlap they'll probably be quick but electric racing cars would still end up spending hours in the pits if they raced at le mans for example
albertopv 4y ago
When you buy a Ferrari you buy an experience, history etc, engine sound is good part of that experience. No way Ferrari will be banned for noise or pollution. On road a Ferrari noise is quite low when running low speed. Pollution is non existent for cars that drive few kms per year.
- robin_reala 4y ago
  Ferrari already sell enough cars in the EU per year to be subject to the 2030 ban on ICE powertrains. If they drop their manufacturing by 5-10% then they could conceivably fall into the 2035 bucket.
- hooloovoo_zoo 4y ago
  Supposedly it's already happening, although I think in this particular case Nissan is just whining and can't actually sell the car because it's outdated. https://jalopnik.com/nissan-killed-the-gt-r-in-europe-because-its-too-loud-1848661395 https://jalopnik.com/nissan-killed-the-gt-r-in-europe-becaus.... The regulations are thankfully only going to get stricter.
- ajmurmann 4y ago
  Honda Civic Type Rs have a speaker system that makes more impressive engine sounds for the driver. Maybe Ferrari can go with that
  - ohgodplsno 4y ago
    Cars like the Lamborghini Urus do that and replay fake engine sounds through the speakers, and it's an absolute abomination
  - saiya-jin 4y ago
    nobody who buys Ferrari for what the brand represents and delivers is accepting this fake approach, thats for cheap brands
  - lm28469 4y ago
    I don't think you understand the mindset. It's not about mimicking something good, it's about having something good. Your 2$ Casio watch is more accurate than a Rolex, yet people still go for the Rolex EVs bring performance in the same way Audible brings performance to "reading", ie it's a complete different experience, and some people prefer the old way. No performance oriented person look at Tesla specs and drool, sure you smoke a fefe in a straight line, add a few turns and quick decel/accel and it's a whole other story. The m3 battery alone weight 1/3rd of a whole Ferrari

Ferrari has no choice. They’ll eventually be banned on noise pollution grounds/ be too low performance to be considered super cars if they stick with internal combustion.

speedgoose 4y ago

They actually managed to get a luxury bullshit ICE vehicles exception for the upcoming European ban of ICE cars.

AtlasBarfed 4y ago

Plaid's times around the Nurb show that when weight gets solved with solid state batteries, which is what all the high end cars will use, ICE won't be competitive. And while it's been a bit like fusion power, always a couple years away, enough is happening in solid state that it's probably happening in a couple years. Now, it might now be competitive in the mass market, where I believe sodium ion and LFP/LMFP/etc chemistries will dominate for probably a decade, but it will own the 100k+ car segment.

dncornholio 4y ago
You mean, plaid has terrible Nordsleife performance? Overheating, super bad brakes and they run out of charge after 1 lap. Also, the lap-record of the plaid is not impressive at all compared to ICE. The plaid lap-time was not on a standard car. They had ceramic brakes which you cannot order from Tesla. There were probably more modifications done on the car. Also, a part from the weight, the range of EV vehicles seriously needs to go up to be competitive to ICE. Plaid's Nurb lap only showed how far behind these cars really are still.
- AtlasBarfed 4y ago
  "Plaid's Nurb lap only showed how far behind these cars really are still. " It basically has the all-drivetrain production sedan. Oh sure... Tesla doesn't offer 50 racing trims like Porsche and BMW. Whatever. Tesla did some afterthought track kit and broke the record. But... sure, go ahead and pretend it doesn't. I loved how Jalopnik commenters collectively shit their pants and called false news like they are used to from watching OAN. Good to see its still alive. You think tesla has teams of engineers devoted to cranking out racing versions of Plaid? Yeah, uh, no. That's what makes their Nurb time even funnier. It was probably a couple weekends of air kit testing and a cage retrofit. You'd have a better argument talking about how the IDR is 45 seconds off of the LMP derivative. But I think you know in the back of your head when about 10 years of forthcoming battery and motor tech gets developed... that isn't standing. Motorheads can talk about 1000HP engines and top speeds they never hit, it doesn't matter. 0-60 is owned by EVs. Quarter miles are a wash. Endurance racing? Battery swaps. Wireless charging built into the track. Who cares. Racing will need to make a decision: have all racing be like NASCAR with carburetors in the year 2010, or be at the forefront of transportation evolution and development. F1 and LMP is already behind with hybrids, those were introduced in 1997 with the Prius.
  - dncornholio 4y ago
    Electric vehicles are terrible for racing. All your arguments are things that don't even exist yet. I'm not a motorhead, I'm trying to be unbiased. The Tesla is absolutely not ready for Nurburgring laps. It did a quick time but that's just marketing. Tesla's are not race ready. Again, the brakes suck, they are terrible, dangerously so. The battery will overheat and you can't do more than one lap. Again, currently, EV is still far behind to be competitive to ICE for racing.
mhh__ 4y ago
On a hotlap they'll probably be quick but electric racing cars would still end up spending hours in the pits if they raced at le mans for example

albertopv 4y ago

When you buy a Ferrari you buy an experience, history etc, engine sound is good part of that experience. No way Ferrari will be banned for noise or pollution. On road a Ferrari noise is quite low when running low speed. Pollution is non existent for cars that drive few kms per year.

robin_reala 4y ago
Ferrari already sell enough cars in the EU per year to be subject to the 2030 ban on ICE powertrains. If they drop their manufacturing by 5-10% then they could conceivably fall into the 2035 bucket.
hooloovoo_zoo 4y ago
Supposedly it's already happening, although I think in this particular case Nissan is just whining and can't actually sell the car because it's outdated. https://jalopnik.com/nissan-killed-the-gt-r-in-europe-because-its-too-loud-1848661395 https://jalopnik.com/nissan-killed-the-gt-r-in-europe-becaus.... The regulations are thankfully only going to get stricter.
ajmurmann 4y ago
Honda Civic Type Rs have a speaker system that makes more impressive engine sounds for the driver. Maybe Ferrari can go with that
- ohgodplsno 4y ago
  Cars like the Lamborghini Urus do that and replay fake engine sounds through the speakers, and it's an absolute abomination
- saiya-jin 4y ago
  nobody who buys Ferrari for what the brand represents and delivers is accepting this fake approach, thats for cheap brands
- lm28469 4y ago
  I don't think you understand the mindset. It's not about mimicking something good, it's about having something good. Your 2$ Casio watch is more accurate than a Rolex, yet people still go for the Rolex EVs bring performance in the same way Audible brings performance to "reading", ie it's a complete different experience, and some people prefer the old way. No performance oriented person look at Tesla specs and drool, sure you smoke a fefe in a straight line, add a few turns and quick decel/accel and it's a whole other story. The m3 battery alone weight 1/3rd of a whole Ferrari