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> As a general rule, if Tesla isn't doing it already I suspect it's either not economically feasible, difficult to manufacture, or otherwise has drawbacks they'
by clouddrover 4y ago
> As a general rule, if Tesla isn't doing it already I suspect it's either not economically feasible, difficult to manufacture, or otherwise has drawbacks they've judged signifigant.
That's not a very good rule. There a lots of things Tesla doesn't do.
- Tesla doesn't do battery swaps, but NIO does. NIO's done it 10 million times: https://www.nio.com/blog/nio-users-china-have-completed-10-million-battery-swaps https://www.nio.com/blog/nio-users-china-have-completed-10-m...
- Tesla doesn't do 350 kW chargers, but Ionity (among others) does. Current EV truck drivers appreciate it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UAttTG03WA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UAttTG03WA
- Tesla's charging network is slowly rolling out charging to all EV brands in Europe, but Tesla still doesn't charge all brands in North America. Electrify America (among others) does.
- Tesla doesn't offer EV scooters, but Gogoro (among others) does: https://www.gogoro.com/gogoro-network/ https://www.gogoro.com/gogoro-network/
- Tesla doesn't offer EV vans, but other manufacturers do.
- Tesla doesn't offer EV city cars, but other manufacturers do.
- Tesla doesn't do a heads-up display, but other manufacturers do.
And so on.
- gridder 4y ago- Tesla doesn’t offer LiDAR sensors, even if it’s clearly the best technology to use for the autopilot.
- awestroke 4y agoBecause it is prohibitively expensive, and you get more data with multiple cameras than with one single lidar
- clouddrover 4y agoIt didn't prohibit Mercedes: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a39966189/2022-mercedes-benz-eqs-drive-pilot-drive/ https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a39966189/2022-mercedes... https://electrek.co/2022/07/22/mercedes-drive-pilot-review/ https://electrek.co/2022/07/22/mercedes-drive-pilot-review/
- awestroke 4y agoWell yeah, if you double the price of the car you can afford to slap lidar on it. You'll sell fewer cars, however
- clouddrover 4y agoSo what's the Model S's and Model X's excuse? They've got the Mercedes EQS price tag but not the equipment.
- awestroke 4y agoTesla want to offer FSD on their whole lineup, not just in their high end models
- clouddrover 4y agoAh, I understand. So the Model S and Model X are rip offs. Better off with the Mercedes EQS. Or the Lucid Air for that matter: https://www.carscoops.com/2022/02/lucids-lidar-based-dreamdrive-pro-is-cheaper-than-tesla-fsd-in-the-us-more-expensive-in-canada/ https://www.carscoops.com/2022/02/lucids-lidar-based-dreamdr...
- __m 4y agoNot at night
- dmitriid 4y ago> you get more data with multiple cameras than with one single lidar Until you're at night in the snow/dirt.
- hoseja 4y agoYeah, lidar famously deals well with inclement weather and low visibility conditions. Those infrared lasers just punch right through the fog and snowflakes. Lmao.
- dmitriid 4y agoAh you decided to be smart and sarcastic, and inadvertently showed just how limited the tech in these "autonomous" cars is. And that you can't just handwave these problems away.
- gzer0 4y agoNot even close. Psuedo-LiDAR approach is the way to go and everyone knows it. Waymo and others using LiDAR placed the wrong bet and now have nothing to show for it.
- arcticbull 4y agoWell, except not running over mannequins of kids. [1] You know, the simple stuff. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aMWERzT7SQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aMWERzT7SQ
- drcross 4y agoThis has been completely debunked numerous times in the last week. It's a total smear campaign by a competitor.
- hahaxdxd123 4y agooh https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1557766646026084359 https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1557766646026084359
- thedrbrian 4y ago>This has been completely debunked numerous times in the last week show us
- chell830 4y ago> Waymo and others using LiDAR placed the wrong bet and now have nothing to show for it. Waymo launched their commercial robo-taxi service in 2017. It’s still running today. Open to the public [1]. Meanwhile, Tesla is phasing out their FSD program. Beta-testers, 98 safety score, $15K cost, whatever, current Tesla owners are pissed off. FSD is a sinking ship, just like the Tesla/Elon brand. They used to be cool. [1] https://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/tech/2017/04/25/google-self-driving-cars-phoenix-area-residents/100875448/ https://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/tech/2017/04/...
- 4y ago
- hoseja 4y agoIs this a sarcastic joke? Surely you can't mean that.
- jeffreygoesto 4y agoRadar is working hard to get towards higher resolution and classification quality. From what I know, it is the closest competitor because it is active sensing and complements camera properties even better than LIDAR. In adverse conditions LIDAR and Cameras have similar failure modes, which is not good. I do agree that cameras an ML on the images seems to be stuck at the next plateau of scene understanding performance. An impressive one, admitted, but still not sufficient. For real emergency reactions with highway speeds you need to assess situations about a quarter mile away basically.
- judge2020 4y agoTechnically all of those are covered under "otherwise has drawbacks they've judged significant", but I think they meant "in the realm of EV performance": the Plaid is still the fastest car you can buy without dropping a half million on a SF90 or even more on a limited-run supercar.
- clouddrover 4y ago> Technically all of those are covered under "otherwise has drawbacks they've judged significant" Pray tell, what are these significant drawbacks? > the Plaid is still the fastest car you can buy without dropping a half million Nope: https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/19/23312956/lucid-air-sapphire-edition-speed-ev-specs-monterey https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/19/23312956/lucid-air-sapphi...
- googlryas 4y agoAccording to that article, that car isn't available yet and is only going to made in extremely limited numbers.
- clouddrover 4y agoAnd? How many people do you think buy high performance cars? The answer is: not many.
- melony 4y agoRidiculous. Just walk around the Bay area and see for yourself.
- googlryas 4y agoSomeone said > the Plaid is still the fastest car you can buy without dropping a half million And you said: > Nope: https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/19/23312956/lucid-air-sapphi https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/19/23312956/lucid-air-sapphi... Except you can't actually buy the car you linked to. That's a pretty big miss in a conversation about cars you can buy. In fact, I would say one of the two defining features of "cars you can buy" is the fact that you can buy them.
- Smoosh 4y ago> And so on I would really like V2H or V2G but no sign of it from Tesla so far.
- clouddrover 4y agoOr even just V2L. Honda has it with the Honda e, Ford has it with the F-150 Lightning, and Hyundai has it with their E-GMP platform (currently Kia EV6, Genesis GV60, and Hyundai Ioniq 5).
- dzhiurgis 4y agoIMO that should be illegal to sell. Such a missed opportunity.
- neither_color 4y agoOn July 4, 2022, at the NIO power exchange station at Shanghai Hongqiao VEG Micro Creative Park, an ES8 marked the 10,000,000th power swap in NIO’s history. Impressive that they were able to do this in July of '22 after just being in one of the world's most severe lockdown for months in a row. There were almost no non-essential vehicles on the road in Shanghai for at least 60 days https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/13/china/china-covid-shanghai-lockdown-heat-wave-intl-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/13/china/china-covid-shangha...
- rsynnott 4y agoI mean, presumably the Shanghai facility is just the one that happened to do the 10 millionth change; China's a big country. Also, obviously, there was a time before the lockdown, when they presumably racked up some battery changes. For comparison, if Amazon or someone claimed they'd just shipped their billionth package, to someone in Luxembourg, "there aren't many people in Luxembourg so this sounds wrong" would be a weird thing to say.