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> There's numerous differences between designing a school system for basically all Hungarian or all Norwegian kids, for example, and figuring out what the hell

> There's numerous differences between designing a school system for basically all Hungarian or all Norwegian kids, for example, and figuring out what the hell you can do with a school mixed with Latinos, Asians, Blacks, and Whites with all different levels of interests, drive, and ability. Why would Latinos, Asians, Blacks, and Whites all require a radically different education? It seems to me that math is math, your country's history is your country's history, biology is biology, etc. I understand there are cultural differences between different population groups, but that's hardly unique to the US; Europe has differences and minority groups, too.

csa 4y ago
> It seems to me that math is math, your country's history is your country's history, biology is biology, etc. You would think, but somehow we Americans have found a way to make this question much more difficult than it initially seems (or needs to be, imho).
logicalmonster 4y ago
> Why would Latinos, Asians, Blacks, and Whites all require a radically different education? We can't completely discuss the reasons for different educational outcomes between population groups in America in a civilized forum such as HN, so let's only mention that different educational outcomes between groups exist. Since different population groups have different educational outcomes in a multicultural society, the groups that are left behind will always feel slighted and resentful and the educational system would have to be continuously redesigned to accommodate the least common denominator, IMO in a fashion resembling the famous Harrison Bergeron short story. In basically every city with a substantial multicultural society in America in recent years, you can find articles similar to this. > Boston Public Schools Suspend Advanced Program Because Officials Were ‘Disturbed’ By The Number Of Asian And White Students https://dailycaller.com/2021/02/26/boston-public-schools-advanced-work-classes-program-antiracism-white-asian-students/ https://dailycaller.com/2021/02/26/boston-public-schools-adv... > Desegregation Plan: Eliminate All Gifted Programs in New York https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/nyregion/gifted-programs-nyc-desegregation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/nyregion/gifted-programs-... > To Address Inequity, Let's Do More Than Eliminate 'Gifted And Talented' Programs https://www.forbes.com/sites/nataliewexler/2019/08/28/to-address-inequity-lets-do-more-than-eliminate-gifted-and-talented-programs/?sh=12e2b62555ae https://www.forbes.com/sites/nataliewexler/2019/08/28/to-add... Europe doesn't have to account for this kind of thing anywhere near the level that America does. Their educational systems can largely focus on what's best for education.
s1artibartfast 4y ago
It is hard to teach math to someone who doesn't speak your language. This is one of the biggest challenges in many US states. For example, 20% of students in California do not have basic proficiency with English and 40% of students do not speak it at home. This puts a huge burden on teachers and school systems.

csa 4y ago

> It seems to me that math is math, your country's history is your country's history, biology is biology, etc. You would think, but somehow we Americans have found a way to make this question much more difficult than it initially seems (or needs to be, imho).

logicalmonster 4y ago

> Why would Latinos, Asians, Blacks, and Whites all require a radically different education? We can't completely discuss the reasons for different educational outcomes between population groups in America in a civilized forum such as HN, so let's only mention that different educational outcomes between groups exist. Since different population groups have different educational outcomes in a multicultural society, the groups that are left behind will always feel slighted and resentful and the educational system would have to be continuously redesigned to accommodate the least common denominator, IMO in a fashion resembling the famous Harrison Bergeron short story. In basically every city with a substantial multicultural society in America in recent years, you can find articles similar to this. > Boston Public Schools Suspend Advanced Program Because Officials Were ‘Disturbed’ By The Number Of Asian And White Students https://dailycaller.com/2021/02/26/boston-public-schools-advanced-work-classes-program-antiracism-white-asian-students/ https://dailycaller.com/2021/02/26/boston-public-schools-adv... > Desegregation Plan: Eliminate All Gifted Programs in New York https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/nyregion/gifted-programs-nyc-desegregation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/nyregion/gifted-programs-... > To Address Inequity, Let's Do More Than Eliminate 'Gifted And Talented' Programs https://www.forbes.com/sites/nataliewexler/2019/08/28/to-address-inequity-lets-do-more-than-eliminate-gifted-and-talented-programs/?sh=12e2b62555ae https://www.forbes.com/sites/nataliewexler/2019/08/28/to-add... Europe doesn't have to account for this kind of thing anywhere near the level that America does. Their educational systems can largely focus on what's best for education.

s1artibartfast 4y ago

It is hard to teach math to someone who doesn't speak your language. This is one of the biggest challenges in many US states. For example, 20% of students in California do not have basic proficiency with English and 40% of students do not speak it at home. This puts a huge burden on teachers and school systems.