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Yeah OK, let me know when Bluetooth latency is the same as a physical wire connection. Or when a good Bluetooth pair costs the same as a good wired pair.

rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y ago
A few higher-end commercial headphones now support Bluetooth AptX LL (low latency). Probably won't sway you, but it exists.
- arvinsim 4y ago
  Bluetooth latency has never been low enough for music production in my use case
- daedalus_j 4y ago
  - Still sounds like garbage when side-by-side compared to by ATH-AD700X's, or ATH-MSR7NC's though. - Still more irritating to have to keep charged rather than just plug in. Still more irritating to switch back and forth between my phone and my laptop and my desktop though. - Still more irritating (or even impossible) to share my single audio source with someone else's headphones though. - Still more irritating to pipe into the mixer and play back over big speakers though. I had a phone with only USB-C for a while. Sure, dongle's exist. They also get buggy and drop out occasionally, since they've got firmware. They also make it challenging to charge and listen simultaneously. They also get lost easily. There's a lot to recommend a simple 3-wire electrical connection with a standard plug. I don't begrudge people who want to use bluetooth at all, we can all coexist, just keep the headphone jack available so we can. :-)
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    BlueTooth is basically a necessity in a modern phone for many reasons, not just headphones: fitness trackers, automotive system integration, etc. all use BT. And BT doesn't need any physical space on the edge of the device. But yeah, the venerable 3.5mm headphone jack is simple and effective and doesn't have many of the problems that plague wireless headphones. Any good phone should have both.
2143 4y ago
Anecdotal: I'm not a power-user, but I never really had bluetooth problems (latency, connectivity etc) between my phone and bluetooth devices. I do however have the rare bluetooth connectivity problems with laptops, even the newer ones, but that could be a problem with Linux. Also, I've accidentally damaged my wired headphones before by walking around and the wires getting hooked onto something. Besides, I find it convenient to keep my phone in one place and walk around while making phone calls, or listening to stuff. Like, cleaning my house while listening to stuff. I agree that it would be better to have both BT and a headphone jack.
- nmfisher 4y ago
  Every time I run with Bluetooth headphones, the connection will drop out for a few seconds whenever a certain type of car/bus/ambulance goes by. Certain traffic lights seem to set it off too. Really irritating. I'll take wired over wireless any day of the week.
  - sawyna 4y ago
    This. I constantly struggle with connectivity. It's ridiculous how amateur the connectivity area is. I'm sure things will.be different if they get better at it.
  - hammyhavoc 4y ago
    This may be "adaptive audio" in action. You may experience similar with babies crying.

rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y ago

A few higher-end commercial headphones now support Bluetooth AptX LL (low latency). Probably won't sway you, but it exists.

arvinsim 4y ago
Bluetooth latency has never been low enough for music production in my use case
daedalus_j 4y ago
- Still sounds like garbage when side-by-side compared to by ATH-AD700X's, or ATH-MSR7NC's though. - Still more irritating to have to keep charged rather than just plug in. Still more irritating to switch back and forth between my phone and my laptop and my desktop though. - Still more irritating (or even impossible) to share my single audio source with someone else's headphones though. - Still more irritating to pipe into the mixer and play back over big speakers though. I had a phone with only USB-C for a while. Sure, dongle's exist. They also get buggy and drop out occasionally, since they've got firmware. They also make it challenging to charge and listen simultaneously. They also get lost easily. There's a lot to recommend a simple 3-wire electrical connection with a standard plug. I don't begrudge people who want to use bluetooth at all, we can all coexist, just keep the headphone jack available so we can. :-)
- midoridensha 4y ago
  BlueTooth is basically a necessity in a modern phone for many reasons, not just headphones: fitness trackers, automotive system integration, etc. all use BT. And BT doesn't need any physical space on the edge of the device. But yeah, the venerable 3.5mm headphone jack is simple and effective and doesn't have many of the problems that plague wireless headphones. Any good phone should have both.

2143 4y ago

Anecdotal: I'm not a power-user, but I never really had bluetooth problems (latency, connectivity etc) between my phone and bluetooth devices. I do however have the rare bluetooth connectivity problems with laptops, even the newer ones, but that could be a problem with Linux. Also, I've accidentally damaged my wired headphones before by walking around and the wires getting hooked onto something. Besides, I find it convenient to keep my phone in one place and walk around while making phone calls, or listening to stuff. Like, cleaning my house while listening to stuff. I agree that it would be better to have both BT and a headphone jack.

nmfisher 4y ago
Every time I run with Bluetooth headphones, the connection will drop out for a few seconds whenever a certain type of car/bus/ambulance goes by. Certain traffic lights seem to set it off too. Really irritating. I'll take wired over wireless any day of the week.
- sawyna 4y ago
  This. I constantly struggle with connectivity. It's ridiculous how amateur the connectivity area is. I'm sure things will.be different if they get better at it.
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  This may be "adaptive audio" in action. You may experience similar with babies crying.