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Move on, wireless is better. They have usb-c adapters as well.

by epa 4y ago

justin_oaks 4y ago
But then you can't charge with the USB-C port and listen to headphones at the same time.
- nl 4y ago
  This is such a weird complaint. Firstly, yes, you can can get USB-C to headphone adaptors that allow charging[1] Secondly, the scenarios where this is an issue are combinations of edge cases. You have to choose not to use wireless headphones, not have a wireless charger AND for some reason be unable to spare the 30 minutes to do a rapid boost charge. If that's really a problem then by all means get the charger that allows both. [1] eg, first result: https://www.amazon.com.au/UGREEN-Headphone-Adapter-Charging-Compatible/dp/B08519D4R4 https://www.amazon.com.au/UGREEN-Headphone-Adapter-Charging-...
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    These are a bunch of solutions with their own pluses, minuses, and degree of knowledge that you have to have to even be aware of, in addition to seperate products that you have to purchase - in order to fix a problem that didn't exist before. It's very weird to not understand that people don't want this in their lives in return for little or no benefit.
    - nl 4y ago
      But there is a big benefit! Less connectors save costs and reduce wiring in the phone allowing manufactures to make it smaller. For most people who prefer wireless (I don't think anyone actually likes wires) this is a pretty reasonable compromise.
      - RHSeeger 4y ago
        I prefer wires to wireless in pretty much every situation except for chargers. - ethernet vs wifi? ethernet wins hands down - headphones? corded wins hands down Honestly, even for chargers, I still use a wired one anywhere except my home office, because it would be annoying to carry a wireless charge around.
        nl 4y ago
        I'd say you prefer the experience you get with wires, not the wires themselves. That's a reasonable position to take.
  - RHSeeger 4y ago
    So, pretty much every time I get in someone else's car for a trip longer than "tot he store" and want to listen to something on my phone.
    - nl 4y ago
      Either their car has a 3.5mm input jack, in which case they probably already have a 3.5mm male to male cable (unless you carry that too?) with an adapter or 3.5mm to adapter cable or they don't have the jack and you just pair with their car bluetooth.
      - psyc 4y ago
        It's kind of amazing that you're clever enough to generate a complete decision tree for all the problems and solutions, and yet still have a blind spot for what the problem is, despite six people trying to explain it.
        nl 4y ago
        My point is that these "no I need a headphone jack" issues all take a complex decision tree to get to. They are all things like "oh I have to ride in my friends car who has a 3.5mm input jack but doesn't have bluetooth input and also only has the cable without an adapter". There's another comment about how the latency on bluetooth is bad, and this is a problem because they are a music producer who presumably produces on their mobile phone. Again, it's such a small subset and the fact it is solved perfectly with a $10 adapter makes me think the complaints are way overblown.
      - RHSeeger 4y ago
        I have the male to male cable; though I keep one in my wife's car, too. As for pairing with the bluetooth 1. In the cases I'm talking about, I want to use headphones + a USB-C charger. 2. I don't like bluetooth for sound; it's inferior in every single case I've tried. 3. I have yet to be able to configure things so bluetooth is used for media/music, but not for phone calls. And I don't want to use the car/speakerphone for phone calls when I'm in someone else's car. Look, I get it.. with _enough_ adapters and random other things, I can jump through a dozen different hoops in order to get music out of phone. But life would be a lot simpler and easier if I just had a headphone jack. Only they removed it, and now I'm stuck with an objectively [1] worse experience. [1] Yes, objectively; because prior to that I had both bluetooth AND a headphone jack. So there's no positive aspect of removing the jack. It is objectively worse to not have it.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    >You have to choose not to use wireless headphones, not have a wireless charger AND for some reason be unable to spare the 30 minutes to do a rapid boost charge. Yeah, this sounds like me when I've traveling anywhere, whether it's across the world or just into town. I'm not going to haul around a wireless charger in my backpack, and I don't have 30 minutes to sit around waiting for a charge. And that's exactly the time I want to have headphones available, not when I'm sitting at home where I might have a wireless charger handy. At home, I just use speakers connected to my computer or my home-theater setup. Why would I use headphones at home?
- mgolawala 4y ago
  Use a wireless charging setup. It has been standard on most flagship phones for a few years now. I rarely (if ever) use the port to charge my devices anymore. They just look messy, wear out and take more time to plug in and un plug.
  - ryukafalz 4y ago
    You probably don’t carry a wireless charger with you on the go, which is incidentally when you’re most likely to need this. You’re not going to wirelessly charge your phone while you watch a movie on a flight or a train, but you sure do want to charge it so you have power left at your destination.
    - Johnny555 4y ago
      If that's something that's important to you, you can: https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-PowerCore-Portable-Compatible/dp/B083YW8NW5 https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-PowerCore-Portable-Com...
      - ryukafalz 4y ago
        And you then need to make sure that it doesn’t get jostled around enough to disconnect from the phone on your flight or train. I’d rather just plug a cable in.
  - celsoazevedo 4y ago
    Wireless charging is nice but has a few problems. A cable charges my phone ~3x faster, generates less heat, and wastes less electricity. On the go, a USB-C cable is also more useful than a wireless charger.
    - midoridensha 4y ago
      >A cable charges my phone ~3x faster You need a faster wireless charger. The high-power ones aren't as slow as this. But still, you're right: wires are more efficient and faster. And the big factor is that no one brings a wireless charger traveling with them. A cable is much smaller and lighter, and the wireless charger still needs the cable and power adapter anyway.
russelg 4y ago
Yeah OK, let me know when Bluetooth latency is the same as a physical wire connection. Or when a good Bluetooth pair costs the same as a good wired pair.
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y ago
  A few higher-end commercial headphones now support Bluetooth AptX LL (low latency). Probably won't sway you, but it exists.
  - arvinsim 4y ago
    Bluetooth latency has never been low enough for music production in my use case
  - daedalus_j 4y ago
    - Still sounds like garbage when side-by-side compared to by ATH-AD700X's, or ATH-MSR7NC's though. - Still more irritating to have to keep charged rather than just plug in. Still more irritating to switch back and forth between my phone and my laptop and my desktop though. - Still more irritating (or even impossible) to share my single audio source with someone else's headphones though. - Still more irritating to pipe into the mixer and play back over big speakers though. I had a phone with only USB-C for a while. Sure, dongle's exist. They also get buggy and drop out occasionally, since they've got firmware. They also make it challenging to charge and listen simultaneously. They also get lost easily. There's a lot to recommend a simple 3-wire electrical connection with a standard plug. I don't begrudge people who want to use bluetooth at all, we can all coexist, just keep the headphone jack available so we can. :-)
    - midoridensha 4y ago
      BlueTooth is basically a necessity in a modern phone for many reasons, not just headphones: fitness trackers, automotive system integration, etc. all use BT. And BT doesn't need any physical space on the edge of the device. But yeah, the venerable 3.5mm headphone jack is simple and effective and doesn't have many of the problems that plague wireless headphones. Any good phone should have both.
boring_twenties 4y ago
Wireless is worse in every way imaginable. Worse power use, worse quality, worse latency, much worse convenience (now you have to charge the headphones, too).
- wiseowise 4y ago
  And I assume you type this on device connected to Ethernet, right? And no, Bluetooth headphones are convenient, how often do you think you need to charge them?
  - boring_twenties 4y ago
    Of course I am connected to Ethernet, what kind of question is that? Having headphones that turn out to be uncharged, or undercharged, when I try to use them even once is completely unacceptable. For what benefit, saving myself the 2 seconds of plugging a cable in? Fuck everything about Bluetooth headphones.
jbay808 4y ago
My wireless headphones were working great until about two weeks ago. Now when I try to connect to them via Bluetooth, the connection fails, every time, due to an "unknown problem" and I should "try again later". Fortunately the detachable 3.5mm jack still works.

Move on, wireless is better. They have usb-c adapters as well.

by epa 4y ago

Move on, wireless is better. They have usb-c adapters as well.

justin_oaks 4y ago

But then you can't charge with the USB-C port and listen to headphones at the same time.

nl 4y ago
This is such a weird complaint. Firstly, yes, you can can get USB-C to headphone adaptors that allow charging[1] Secondly, the scenarios where this is an issue are combinations of edge cases. You have to choose not to use wireless headphones, not have a wireless charger AND for some reason be unable to spare the 30 minutes to do a rapid boost charge. If that's really a problem then by all means get the charger that allows both. [1] eg, first result: https://www.amazon.com.au/UGREEN-Headphone-Adapter-Charging-Compatible/dp/B08519D4R4 https://www.amazon.com.au/UGREEN-Headphone-Adapter-Charging-...
- pessimizer 4y ago
  These are a bunch of solutions with their own pluses, minuses, and degree of knowledge that you have to have to even be aware of, in addition to seperate products that you have to purchase - in order to fix a problem that didn't exist before. It's very weird to not understand that people don't want this in their lives in return for little or no benefit.
  - nl 4y ago
    But there is a big benefit! Less connectors save costs and reduce wiring in the phone allowing manufactures to make it smaller. For most people who prefer wireless (I don't think anyone actually likes wires) this is a pretty reasonable compromise.
    - RHSeeger 4y ago
      I prefer wires to wireless in pretty much every situation except for chargers. - ethernet vs wifi? ethernet wins hands down - headphones? corded wins hands down Honestly, even for chargers, I still use a wired one anywhere except my home office, because it would be annoying to carry a wireless charge around.
      - nl 4y ago
        I'd say you prefer the experience you get with wires, not the wires themselves. That's a reasonable position to take.
- RHSeeger 4y ago
  So, pretty much every time I get in someone else's car for a trip longer than "tot he store" and want to listen to something on my phone.
  - nl 4y ago
    Either their car has a 3.5mm input jack, in which case they probably already have a 3.5mm male to male cable (unless you carry that too?) with an adapter or 3.5mm to adapter cable or they don't have the jack and you just pair with their car bluetooth.
    - psyc 4y ago
      It's kind of amazing that you're clever enough to generate a complete decision tree for all the problems and solutions, and yet still have a blind spot for what the problem is, despite six people trying to explain it.
      - nl 4y ago
        My point is that these "no I need a headphone jack" issues all take a complex decision tree to get to. They are all things like "oh I have to ride in my friends car who has a 3.5mm input jack but doesn't have bluetooth input and also only has the cable without an adapter". There's another comment about how the latency on bluetooth is bad, and this is a problem because they are a music producer who presumably produces on their mobile phone. Again, it's such a small subset and the fact it is solved perfectly with a $10 adapter makes me think the complaints are way overblown.
    - RHSeeger 4y ago
      I have the male to male cable; though I keep one in my wife's car, too. As for pairing with the bluetooth 1. In the cases I'm talking about, I want to use headphones + a USB-C charger. 2. I don't like bluetooth for sound; it's inferior in every single case I've tried. 3. I have yet to be able to configure things so bluetooth is used for media/music, but not for phone calls. And I don't want to use the car/speakerphone for phone calls when I'm in someone else's car. Look, I get it.. with _enough_ adapters and random other things, I can jump through a dozen different hoops in order to get music out of phone. But life would be a lot simpler and easier if I just had a headphone jack. Only they removed it, and now I'm stuck with an objectively [1] worse experience. [1] Yes, objectively; because prior to that I had both bluetooth AND a headphone jack. So there's no positive aspect of removing the jack. It is objectively worse to not have it.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  >You have to choose not to use wireless headphones, not have a wireless charger AND for some reason be unable to spare the 30 minutes to do a rapid boost charge. Yeah, this sounds like me when I've traveling anywhere, whether it's across the world or just into town. I'm not going to haul around a wireless charger in my backpack, and I don't have 30 minutes to sit around waiting for a charge. And that's exactly the time I want to have headphones available, not when I'm sitting at home where I might have a wireless charger handy. At home, I just use speakers connected to my computer or my home-theater setup. Why would I use headphones at home?
mgolawala 4y ago
Use a wireless charging setup. It has been standard on most flagship phones for a few years now. I rarely (if ever) use the port to charge my devices anymore. They just look messy, wear out and take more time to plug in and un plug.
- ryukafalz 4y ago
  You probably don’t carry a wireless charger with you on the go, which is incidentally when you’re most likely to need this. You’re not going to wirelessly charge your phone while you watch a movie on a flight or a train, but you sure do want to charge it so you have power left at your destination.
  - Johnny555 4y ago
    If that's something that's important to you, you can: https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-PowerCore-Portable-Compatible/dp/B083YW8NW5 https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-PowerCore-Portable-Com...
    - ryukafalz 4y ago
      And you then need to make sure that it doesn’t get jostled around enough to disconnect from the phone on your flight or train. I’d rather just plug a cable in.
- celsoazevedo 4y ago
  Wireless charging is nice but has a few problems. A cable charges my phone ~3x faster, generates less heat, and wastes less electricity. On the go, a USB-C cable is also more useful than a wireless charger.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    >A cable charges my phone ~3x faster You need a faster wireless charger. The high-power ones aren't as slow as this. But still, you're right: wires are more efficient and faster. And the big factor is that no one brings a wireless charger traveling with them. A cable is much smaller and lighter, and the wireless charger still needs the cable and power adapter anyway.

russelg 4y ago

Yeah OK, let me know when Bluetooth latency is the same as a physical wire connection. Or when a good Bluetooth pair costs the same as a good wired pair.

rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y ago
A few higher-end commercial headphones now support Bluetooth AptX LL (low latency). Probably won't sway you, but it exists.
- arvinsim 4y ago
  Bluetooth latency has never been low enough for music production in my use case
- daedalus_j 4y ago
  - Still sounds like garbage when side-by-side compared to by ATH-AD700X's, or ATH-MSR7NC's though. - Still more irritating to have to keep charged rather than just plug in. Still more irritating to switch back and forth between my phone and my laptop and my desktop though. - Still more irritating (or even impossible) to share my single audio source with someone else's headphones though. - Still more irritating to pipe into the mixer and play back over big speakers though. I had a phone with only USB-C for a while. Sure, dongle's exist. They also get buggy and drop out occasionally, since they've got firmware. They also make it challenging to charge and listen simultaneously. They also get lost easily. There's a lot to recommend a simple 3-wire electrical connection with a standard plug. I don't begrudge people who want to use bluetooth at all, we can all coexist, just keep the headphone jack available so we can. :-)
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    BlueTooth is basically a necessity in a modern phone for many reasons, not just headphones: fitness trackers, automotive system integration, etc. all use BT. And BT doesn't need any physical space on the edge of the device. But yeah, the venerable 3.5mm headphone jack is simple and effective and doesn't have many of the problems that plague wireless headphones. Any good phone should have both.

boring_twenties 4y ago

Wireless is worse in every way imaginable. Worse power use, worse quality, worse latency, much worse convenience (now you have to charge the headphones, too).

wiseowise 4y ago
And I assume you type this on device connected to Ethernet, right? And no, Bluetooth headphones are convenient, how often do you think you need to charge them?
- boring_twenties 4y ago
  Of course I am connected to Ethernet, what kind of question is that? Having headphones that turn out to be uncharged, or undercharged, when I try to use them even once is completely unacceptable. For what benefit, saving myself the 2 seconds of plugging a cable in? Fuck everything about Bluetooth headphones.

jbay808 4y ago

My wireless headphones were working great until about two weeks ago. Now when I try to connect to them via Bluetooth, the connection fails, every time, due to an "unknown problem" and I should "try again later". Fortunately the detachable 3.5mm jack still works.