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I hope there isn't. Sounds like you're a fan, but either don't want to pay the creators, or don't approve of their choice of distribution? That doesnt give you

I hope there isn't. Sounds like you're a fan, but either don't want to pay the creators, or don't approve of their choice of distribution? That doesnt give you a moral or legal right to stiff them.

sathyabhat 15y ago
bring Netflix in all over the world and then we'll talk about that. Till they keep screwing people outside of US, I'll head over to the torrents.
pat2man 15y ago
Agreed. The only reason to use torrents is to get your content delivered to the devices you want. It's hard to find a device that doesn't support Netflix. An offline Netflix option might be the only exception
- timknauf 15y ago
  The only exception? How about the billions of us living someone else in the world other than the US?
tomjen3 15y ago
Arrogant nationalist. Not everyone is American and and for that reason gets screwed from everything from current tv (yeah I like to see shows 3 years after they were current) to innovative things like netflix, hulu and even iTunes tv show store.
- xsmasher 15y ago
  It will probably come to DVD or be distributed on another channel in your country. If not, it still doesn't grant you a moral or legal right to the content. If you pirate instead of paying then you make distributing to your country unprofitable; that sounds like the opposite effect from what you want.
  - babebridou 15y ago
    Who says anything about paying/not paying? The point is, if you're waiting for an official distribution outside of the US, 99% of the fan websites become complete spoilers. You can't be a dedicated fan of a US show outside the US and thoroughly enjoy it without pirating it first (...and then, buy the DVD). The only other option is to only watch DVDs and never talk with anyone online about the show, for fear of spoilers. Didn't they learn anything from the Phantom Menace fiasco? The movie was the first highly and universally anticipated movie since highspeed internet became available. It was released 5 months later in France. It was a total fiasco. Instant surge of piracy, a specific screener became widespread and the only way for Star Wars fan to "survive" a five-months online lockout from their passion. This event was the origin of worldwide releases of blockbusters by movie studios, and the reason why movies nowadays get translated/localized before they are released in their own countries.
    - xsmasher 15y ago
      "Spoilers" or inconvenience don't give you a right to the content either. The studio has to weigh the benefits of a worldwide launch (possibly reduced piracy?) against the benefits of a staggered launch (ability to pay for and schedule proper promotion, localization, and advertising in each market.) Sometimes the studio makes the wrong choice, ether the wrong economic one or the one you don't like, but that's their prerogative. Meta: I'm surprised be the amount of piracy entitlement on HN, which I expect has more content creators than the average net audience.
      - timknauf 15y ago
        I'm surprised at the piracy entitlement too, and as a content creator, I don't condone it myself. But please understand that this kind of situation - new Arrested Development only available to US citizens - is incredibly frustrating for the rest of us precisely because we, as HNers, know there's zero technical reason why we couldn't be paying for and watching Netflix from anywhere in the internet connected world.
      - babebridou 15y ago
shrikant 15y ago
I'd wager that a large proportion of the fan noise was probably introduced to the show via less than legal means. For e.g., there was absolutely no way for me sitting in India to have legally watched the show a few years back. As much as you'd like to believe that a niche group of American viewers alone convinced the creators that furthering the show would be a good idea, that's just not true.
- xsmasher 15y ago
  I believe DVD sales had more positive impact than piracy. AD is currently the #45 top comedy DVD on Amazon... five years after its release. If you love the show so much then pay don't pirate.
  - kittxkat 15y ago
    >> If you love the show so much then pay don't pirate. Well, you're right. But as someone above me said, those are two completely different use cases. If you can't watch a show on netflix/hulu right away one day later, it's nearly impossible to use the internet anymore without getting spoilered (one word: DEXTER. I simply wouldn't be able to think about something different, let alone wait fucking 1 1/2 years for that shit to appear legally on DVD). So, in this case, people are much more likely to torrent something, to "quickly catch" up. The other use case however is, that you buy your dvd box, for example after each season, to re-watch your show and show your support. And be proud to own it physically. Completely different things: - Torrent d/l == catching up, satisfying your addiction - Buying DVDs == supporting shows/movies you love A lot of Americans can combine these two because of online services as Hulu or Netflix. Sadly there are other countries where this is just not possible.

I hope there isn't. Sounds like you're a fan, but either don't want to pay the creators, or don't approve of their choice of distribution? That doesnt give you a moral or legal right to stiff them.

sathyabhat 15y ago

bring Netflix in all over the world and then we'll talk about that. Till they keep screwing people outside of US, I'll head over to the torrents.

pat2man 15y ago

Agreed. The only reason to use torrents is to get your content delivered to the devices you want. It's hard to find a device that doesn't support Netflix. An offline Netflix option might be the only exception

timknauf 15y ago
The only exception? How about the billions of us living someone else in the world other than the US?

tomjen3 15y ago

Arrogant nationalist. Not everyone is American and and for that reason gets screwed from everything from current tv (yeah I like to see shows 3 years after they were current) to innovative things like netflix, hulu and even iTunes tv show store.

xsmasher 15y ago
It will probably come to DVD or be distributed on another channel in your country. If not, it still doesn't grant you a moral or legal right to the content. If you pirate instead of paying then you make distributing to your country unprofitable; that sounds like the opposite effect from what you want.
- babebridou 15y ago
  Who says anything about paying/not paying? The point is, if you're waiting for an official distribution outside of the US, 99% of the fan websites become complete spoilers. You can't be a dedicated fan of a US show outside the US and thoroughly enjoy it without pirating it first (...and then, buy the DVD). The only other option is to only watch DVDs and never talk with anyone online about the show, for fear of spoilers. Didn't they learn anything from the Phantom Menace fiasco? The movie was the first highly and universally anticipated movie since highspeed internet became available. It was released 5 months later in France. It was a total fiasco. Instant surge of piracy, a specific screener became widespread and the only way for Star Wars fan to "survive" a five-months online lockout from their passion. This event was the origin of worldwide releases of blockbusters by movie studios, and the reason why movies nowadays get translated/localized before they are released in their own countries.
  - xsmasher 15y ago
    "Spoilers" or inconvenience don't give you a right to the content either. The studio has to weigh the benefits of a worldwide launch (possibly reduced piracy?) against the benefits of a staggered launch (ability to pay for and schedule proper promotion, localization, and advertising in each market.) Sometimes the studio makes the wrong choice, ether the wrong economic one or the one you don't like, but that's their prerogative. Meta: I'm surprised be the amount of piracy entitlement on HN, which I expect has more content creators than the average net audience.
    - timknauf 15y ago
      I'm surprised at the piracy entitlement too, and as a content creator, I don't condone it myself. But please understand that this kind of situation - new Arrested Development only available to US citizens - is incredibly frustrating for the rest of us precisely because we, as HNers, know there's zero technical reason why we couldn't be paying for and watching Netflix from anywhere in the internet connected world.
    - babebridou 15y ago

shrikant 15y ago

I'd wager that a large proportion of the fan noise was probably introduced to the show via less than legal means. For e.g., there was absolutely no way for me sitting in India to have legally watched the show a few years back. As much as you'd like to believe that a niche group of American viewers alone convinced the creators that furthering the show would be a good idea, that's just not true.

xsmasher 15y ago
I believe DVD sales had more positive impact than piracy. AD is currently the #45 top comedy DVD on Amazon... five years after its release. If you love the show so much then pay don't pirate.
- kittxkat 15y ago
  >> If you love the show so much then pay don't pirate. Well, you're right. But as someone above me said, those are two completely different use cases. If you can't watch a show on netflix/hulu right away one day later, it's nearly impossible to use the internet anymore without getting spoilered (one word: DEXTER. I simply wouldn't be able to think about something different, let alone wait fucking 1 1/2 years for that shit to appear legally on DVD). So, in this case, people are much more likely to torrent something, to "quickly catch" up. The other use case however is, that you buy your dvd box, for example after each season, to re-watch your show and show your support. And be proud to own it physically. Completely different things: - Torrent d/l == catching up, satisfying your addiction - Buying DVDs == supporting shows/movies you love A lot of Americans can combine these two because of online services as Hulu or Netflix. Sadly there are other countries where this is just not possible.