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I think we can all agree this is not a problem in Finland The county I live in has similar demographics to Finland. We get 350 applications for every open teac

by 300bps 4y ago

I think we can all agree this is not a problem in Finland The county I live in has similar demographics to Finland. We get 350 applications for every open teacher position. Not very accurate to compare Finland’s homogenous population of 5 million to the United State’s incredibly diverse population of 330 million.

havblue 4y ago
This isn't entirely a criticism of the parent post, but praise of entirely different education systems comes across as Finland ex machina: just do what they do and our problems are solved. Aside from the parenting component which is a huge part of student success, there's also the question of replacing school boards, administration staff, hiring better teachers of course and reforming local laws. And of course the teachers unions and the financial issues with pensions. There's no easy way to transition out of our existing problems and parents with the means just hit the eject button, sending their kids to private schools.
- iratewizard 4y ago
  Do what they do as in have a high-trust, heterogeneous society?
pnutjam 4y ago
Finland has a lot of immigrants and refugees. https://www.theguardian.com/education/2011/nov/21/finland-education-immigrant-children https://www.theguardian.com/education/2011/nov/21/finland-ed...
- 300bps 4y ago
  I wouldn't consider 7.9% of the population as "a lot" of immigrants when compared to the United States being 26%. And immigrants aren't the only issue. There's a lot of racial diversity in the US that just doesn't exist in Finland. And the educational record for immigrants in Finland is not great: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1467598022000008350?journalCode=ceji20 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1467598022000008... And again, Finland's entire population is substantially less than half the population of the US state of Pennsylvania.
- rr808 4y ago
  It still is small. Also Finland's education results have been slipping, likely because of said immigration: "Finland has been displaced from the very top. In the 2012 study, Finland ranked sixth in reading, twelfth in mathematics and fifth in science, while back in the 2003 study Finland was first in both science and reading and second in mathematics." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland

by 300bps 4y ago

havblue 4y ago

This isn't entirely a criticism of the parent post, but praise of entirely different education systems comes across as Finland ex machina: just do what they do and our problems are solved. Aside from the parenting component which is a huge part of student success, there's also the question of replacing school boards, administration staff, hiring better teachers of course and reforming local laws. And of course the teachers unions and the financial issues with pensions. There's no easy way to transition out of our existing problems and parents with the means just hit the eject button, sending their kids to private schools.

iratewizard 4y ago
Do what they do as in have a high-trust, heterogeneous society?

pnutjam 4y ago

Finland has a lot of immigrants and refugees. https://www.theguardian.com/education/2011/nov/21/finland-education-immigrant-children https://www.theguardian.com/education/2011/nov/21/finland-ed...

300bps 4y ago
I wouldn't consider 7.9% of the population as "a lot" of immigrants when compared to the United States being 26%. And immigrants aren't the only issue. There's a lot of racial diversity in the US that just doesn't exist in Finland. And the educational record for immigrants in Finland is not great: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1467598022000008350?journalCode=ceji20 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1467598022000008... And again, Finland's entire population is substantially less than half the population of the US state of Pennsylvania.
rr808 4y ago
It still is small. Also Finland's education results have been slipping, likely because of said immigration: "Finland has been displaced from the very top. In the 2012 study, Finland ranked sixth in reading, twelfth in mathematics and fifth in science, while back in the 2003 study Finland was first in both science and reading and second in mathematics." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland