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There is no functional difference between a tax break and a subsidy. And everything is private property only if a sovereign authority says it is. Much of it is
by nwah1 4y ago
There is no functional difference between a tax break and a subsidy. And everything is private property only if a sovereign authority says it is. Much of it is not even remotely justifiable even by the most generous Lockean assumptions. But it remains private property because an entity with the power to do so has deemed it so.
- pyuser583 4y ago> everything is private property only if a sovereign authority says it is This is simply untrue. Private property proceeds the existence of the modern state. Many parts of the world have extremely weak states, yet a distinction between private and public property remains. Arguably, the states role is to ensure private property protections are available to the weak and the powerful, not just the powerful. “The commons” - in the European and British sense were/are public property long before a meaningful state became involved. Both s public and private property proceed modern states, and can have their origin in customary law as much as legal statutes.
- nwah1 4y agoSovereign authorities also precede the existence of states.
- specialist 4y agoClaims of ownership are only as legitimate as the potential to do violence to assert such claims.
- pyuser583 4y agoAuthority isn’t always rooted in force or threat of force. “The commons” is/was publicly owned, but without any real threat of force behind it.
- nwah1 4y agoThe commons was managed in a decentralized manner, but indeed there were consequences for violating the written or unwritten rules. And government was often involved in managing them historically. Hence the poem: >The law locks up the man or woman Who steals the goose off the common But leaves the greater villain loose Who steals the common from the goose.
- emmelaich 4y agoThat's great. Here's it set to music. https://mainlynorfolk.info/folk/songs/thegooseandthecommon.html https://mainlynorfolk.info/folk/songs/thegooseandthecommon.h... and wikipedia on the Enclosure acts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclosure_Acts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclosure_Acts
- Schroedingersat 4y ago> Private property proceeds the existence of the modern state. Stop intimating that private and personal property are the same. Private property is enforcable only by coordinated violence. Its manifestations in the past (serfdom, slavery etc) have been universally agreed to be negative. > Both s public and private property proceed modern states, and can have their origin in customary law as much as legal statutes. You're still conflating personal and private property here.
- MichaelCollins 4y agoDa comrade, even "your" life belongs to the state, and you should feel fortunate they permit you to keep it!