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From the article: '“We are beginning to see the deaths that result from delay and deferment of treatment for other conditions, like cancer and heart disease, a

From the article: '“We are beginning to see the deaths that result from delay and deferment of treatment for other conditions, like cancer and heart disease, and from those associated with poverty and deprivation. '“These come through more slowly – if cancer is not treated promptly, patients don't die immediately but do die in greater numbers more quickly than would otherwise be the case.” 'The Government has admitted that the majority of the excess deaths appear to be from circulatory issues and diabetes – long-term, chronic conditions that can be fatal without adequate care.' These deaths are attributable to specific causes - chronic conditions not receiving proper ongoing care - which have nothing to do with the vaccines. Hell, vaccines /should/ be increasing the amount of ongoing treatment for these conditions, and helping people get back to regular checkups and the associated preventative / early-stage treatment. (noting of course that the current excess deaths are an extremely laggy indicator. the 'vaccines help' hypothesis should then be apparent in a year or two as the excess deaths come back down.)

daenz 4y ago
Yes, the article does a fantastic job of claiming their hypotheses as the only possibilities, while dishonestly ignoring others that would more severely undermine confidence in the state. I'm honestly surprised they're attributing deaths to lockdowns at all! That's a huge shift in the overton window. If you remember, that was also taboo. But I assume now it's ok to talk about because it can be framed in the louder, "not enough funding for healthcare" context.
- malteof 4y ago
  It sounds like you really want it to be vaccines even though not much seems to be pointing towards that conclusion, be careful to avoid a bias. The article mentions cancer and cardiovascular chronic diseases.
  - mandmandam 4y ago
    It doesn't though. It sounds like he wants the possibility acknowledged, and maybe even - gasp - explored. You're demonstrating an aspect of the social resistance he's talking about.

daenz 4y ago

Yes, the article does a fantastic job of claiming their hypotheses as the only possibilities, while dishonestly ignoring others that would more severely undermine confidence in the state. I'm honestly surprised they're attributing deaths to lockdowns at all! That's a huge shift in the overton window. If you remember, that was also taboo. But I assume now it's ok to talk about because it can be framed in the louder, "not enough funding for healthcare" context.

malteof 4y ago
It sounds like you really want it to be vaccines even though not much seems to be pointing towards that conclusion, be careful to avoid a bias. The article mentions cancer and cardiovascular chronic diseases.
- mandmandam 4y ago
  It doesn't though. It sounds like he wants the possibility acknowledged, and maybe even - gasp - explored. You're demonstrating an aspect of the social resistance he's talking about.