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> I can never find anything in word or excel or any other application that use windows style menus. On Mac you at least get a real menu. I’ll never understand

> I can never find anything in word or excel or any other application that use windows style menus. On Mac you at least get a real menu. I’ll never understand why it’s so common for Windows and Linux GTK apps to go so far out of their way to avoid using a tried and true menubar. Hamburger menus are probably the most common substitute, and they’re strictly worse in every way, being basically junk drawers in software form. That’s one of the things I love about the global menubar on macOS: because it’s owned by the system, third party devs can’t try to delete it out of some misguided pursuit of minimalism. Several cross platform apps that lack menubars on Windows and Linux have proper menus on macOS as a result.

im_down_w_otp 4y ago
And... it's always in the same place. And... all the standard common things are always in the exact same place with the exact same shortcuts. I've been using Linux (KDE Plasma) now as my primary system for 5 years now, and it's practically impossible to build up a system-wide muscle memory. On Linux and Windows menus are all over the place. Things in the menus are all over the place. Shortcuts to them are all over the place. It's crazy making. However, I've resisted going back to a Mac because it's getting perpetually worse year after year too. The "golden era" to me that I wish had been refined and iterated incrementally on is probably somewhere around Mac OS 10.6
- woojoo666 4y ago
  I personally prefer Windows style menu bars where the menu is at the top of each window, instead of at the top of the screen. I don't want to constantly be dragging my mouse all the way to the top and then back to my window.
  - im_down_w_otp 4y ago
    I could tolerate that. The spastic chaos of keyboard shortcuts across various OS and application functions I cannot forgive however.

im_down_w_otp 4y ago

And... it's always in the same place. And... all the standard common things are always in the exact same place with the exact same shortcuts. I've been using Linux (KDE Plasma) now as my primary system for 5 years now, and it's practically impossible to build up a system-wide muscle memory. On Linux and Windows menus are all over the place. Things in the menus are all over the place. Shortcuts to them are all over the place. It's crazy making. However, I've resisted going back to a Mac because it's getting perpetually worse year after year too. The "golden era" to me that I wish had been refined and iterated incrementally on is probably somewhere around Mac OS 10.6

woojoo666 4y ago
I personally prefer Windows style menu bars where the menu is at the top of each window, instead of at the top of the screen. I don't want to constantly be dragging my mouse all the way to the top and then back to my window.
- im_down_w_otp 4y ago
  I could tolerate that. The spastic chaos of keyboard shortcuts across various OS and application functions I cannot forgive however.