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Who is “you”? Multiply “you” by all possible “yous”, multiplied by downsides of “just install an app” not vetted, for those “yous”. What’s the net effect on t

Who is “you”? Multiply “you” by all possible “yous”, multiplied by downsides of “just install an app” not vetted, for those “yous”. What’s the net effect on total privacy or safety of all yous out there? If “you” are here on HN, odds are you are a vanishingly small part of the venn diagram of yous that should inform an iPhone PdM’s thinking on this issue. EXCEPT, of course, for the NPS (net promotor score) / influencer aspect of you. Because we’re still in an era where the IT person in a circle causes others to make choices. HN users still have a disproportionate voice in tech trend setting. But, as that person, you also have a responsibility to advise in well considered ways that help the person being advised, not yourself. As engineers, our entire purpose is to pay a blood/sweat/tears price to make technology accessible and useful to non-engineers. You know what to do. They don’t. This device is for them.

semi-extrinsic 4y ago
Well, Android has been successful for years now with a model where it is possible to sideload an APK on any device, but it's buried sufficiently deep that the people who shouldn't be using it can't find it. Why not replicate that (IMO) success? Because if I understand GP correctly, they are talking about the ability for devs and white hats to install software which enables debugging and logging so it becomes much easier to find stuff like this?
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > Why not replicate that (IMO) success? We have two models. People who like one can choose that. People who don’t can choose this. Sometimes solutions have multiple equilibria.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    I agree. Apple should implement both models, and then you can choose for yourself. No downside!
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      > No downside! Of course there is. Facebook and Oracle would immediately have some mandatory spyware you’d need to install. Curtailing developers’ freedom is a favourable choice for many consumers. Apple reflects that market pressure. (Android, its inverse.)
      - DangitBobby 4y ago
        It's not like they don't already have that power, they can just force you to use an Android phone for work.

semi-extrinsic 4y ago

Well, Android has been successful for years now with a model where it is possible to sideload an APK on any device, but it's buried sufficiently deep that the people who shouldn't be using it can't find it. Why not replicate that (IMO) success? Because if I understand GP correctly, they are talking about the ability for devs and white hats to install software which enables debugging and logging so it becomes much easier to find stuff like this?

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> Why not replicate that (IMO) success? We have two models. People who like one can choose that. People who don’t can choose this. Sometimes solutions have multiple equilibria.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  I agree. Apple should implement both models, and then you can choose for yourself. No downside!
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > No downside! Of course there is. Facebook and Oracle would immediately have some mandatory spyware you’d need to install. Curtailing developers’ freedom is a favourable choice for many consumers. Apple reflects that market pressure. (Android, its inverse.)
    - DangitBobby 4y ago
      It's not like they don't already have that power, they can just force you to use an Android phone for work.