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Apple kills many small businesses/apps unrelated to privacy but often wearing that shield as a defense. Why celebrate taking down another multinational when th

by ipaddr 4y ago

Apple kills many small businesses/apps unrelated to privacy but often wearing that shield as a defense. Why celebrate taking down another multinational when the reasons are self serving and creates bigger privacy issues?

JKCalhoun 4y ago
If Apple's self-serving reasons are "because our users want it" then I am all for it. That 2/3 of users opted out of being tracked suggests Facebook has no similar reasoning for their business model.
- imachine1980_ 4y ago
  the point is they aren't, they say we are against ads, and the whisper "except ours". if this will be they true purpose you may say what can they do?, don't sell ads.
  - asimpletune 4y ago
    They never said they were against ads though.
  - JKCalhoun 4y ago
    I was referring to privacy, not ads. But I agree that as Apple moves toward advertising they will lose the loyalty of their base (myself included).
  - fooblaster 4y ago
    Apple never cared about privacy to begin with. as soon as they are in a position to use their monopoly power to force their way into the ad eco system they will do so in force. I look forward to seeing how apple will market or more likely choose to hide this approach from their users.
  - askafriend 4y ago
    They never said they're against Ads - that's silly, digital advertising is here to stay and it will continue to grow. They are against building specific profiles of people while tracking them across 3rd party sites without consent. Here's Tim Cook talking about it: https://www.webpronews.com/tim-cook-were-not-against-digital-advertising/ https://www.webpronews.com/tim-cook-were-not-against-digital...
    - cmeacham98 4y ago
      Apple has personalized (i.e. targeted) ads in the app store, no?
      - nemothekid 4y ago
        Are you asking if Apple has ads in the app store that are personalized using data that apple collects from third party applications? I'm pretty sure the answer to that is no. If you are asking if Apple has personalized ads using data from within Apple, then yes; but Facebook has that too and isn't banned from doing that. I think it's very strange people keep equating the level of Apple's and Facebook's data collection. Facebook tried very hard to track you across the entire internet. Apple said you need consent to do that. Then people say "Apple tracks you too". Yes so does every other app out there that installs an analytics library. But you know what I can do? Just not use apple products. However with Facebook, you'd find that the Facebook SDK is installed on every app that didn't even have a social integration and Facebook would build shadow profiles on you, with no reasonable way to opt out.
        fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago
        Apple sells app install ads and charges advertisers for conversions on those ads. Apple blocks Facebook from doing the exact same thing (recording conversions on app install ads). Apple has defined “third party data” so it doesn’t include transactions on an advertiser’s app through the App Store, so they can say they don’t use “third party data”. But also, Apple won’t let anyone else run an App Store. So they are forcing transactions to go through their store, defining their own use of the transaction data as privacy-compliant, and then banning other means of collecting the same data. A pretty genius way to use their power as platform owner to cut out the competition and somehow get good PR while doing it. Apple has defined themselves as party one or two in any interaction with the device, so the data they touch is not “third-party” data. That’s a masterful work of lawyering and whoever came up with that strategy is a genius, but we shouldn’t accept the definition and repeat it. Let’s be clear about what is actually happening: Apple sees that other companies are making money on iPhones (in part, through data), and they are using their platform ownership to collect all that money/data for themselves.
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by ipaddr 4y ago

JKCalhoun 4y ago

If Apple's self-serving reasons are "because our users want it" then I am all for it. That 2/3 of users opted out of being tracked suggests Facebook has no similar reasoning for their business model.

imachine1980_ 4y ago
the point is they aren't, they say we are against ads, and the whisper "except ours". if this will be they true purpose you may say what can they do?, don't sell ads.
- asimpletune 4y ago
  They never said they were against ads though.
- JKCalhoun 4y ago
  I was referring to privacy, not ads. But I agree that as Apple moves toward advertising they will lose the loyalty of their base (myself included).
- fooblaster 4y ago
  Apple never cared about privacy to begin with. as soon as they are in a position to use their monopoly power to force their way into the ad eco system they will do so in force. I look forward to seeing how apple will market or more likely choose to hide this approach from their users.
- askafriend 4y ago
  They never said they're against Ads - that's silly, digital advertising is here to stay and it will continue to grow. They are against building specific profiles of people while tracking them across 3rd party sites without consent. Here's Tim Cook talking about it: https://www.webpronews.com/tim-cook-were-not-against-digital-advertising/ https://www.webpronews.com/tim-cook-were-not-against-digital...
  - cmeacham98 4y ago
    Apple has personalized (i.e. targeted) ads in the app store, no?
    - nemothekid 4y ago
      Are you asking if Apple has ads in the app store that are personalized using data that apple collects from third party applications? I'm pretty sure the answer to that is no. If you are asking if Apple has personalized ads using data from within Apple, then yes; but Facebook has that too and isn't banned from doing that. I think it's very strange people keep equating the level of Apple's and Facebook's data collection. Facebook tried very hard to track you across the entire internet. Apple said you need consent to do that. Then people say "Apple tracks you too". Yes so does every other app out there that installs an analytics library. But you know what I can do? Just not use apple products. However with Facebook, you'd find that the Facebook SDK is installed on every app that didn't even have a social integration and Facebook would build shadow profiles on you, with no reasonable way to opt out.
      - fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago
        Apple sells app install ads and charges advertisers for conversions on those ads. Apple blocks Facebook from doing the exact same thing (recording conversions on app install ads). Apple has defined “third party data” so it doesn’t include transactions on an advertiser’s app through the App Store, so they can say they don’t use “third party data”. But also, Apple won’t let anyone else run an App Store. So they are forcing transactions to go through their store, defining their own use of the transaction data as privacy-compliant, and then banning other means of collecting the same data. A pretty genius way to use their power as platform owner to cut out the competition and somehow get good PR while doing it. Apple has defined themselves as party one or two in any interaction with the device, so the data they touch is not “third-party” data. That’s a masterful work of lawyering and whoever came up with that strategy is a genius, but we shouldn’t accept the definition and repeat it. Let’s be clear about what is actually happening: Apple sees that other companies are making money on iPhones (in part, through data), and they are using their platform ownership to collect all that money/data for themselves.

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