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That's a strange take on the post. The post only uses built-in functionality. Options exist for a reason, and defaults are _really_ difficult to change in softw

That's a strange take on the post. The post only uses built-in functionality. Options exist for a reason, and defaults are _really_ difficult to change in software used by millions of people.

blueflow 4y ago
The effect is that the Makefile now has a dependency on bash and GNU make. What happens to the *BSD or non-GNU linux users?
- formerly_proven 4y ago
  They usually don't matter (and unseen-untested portability is simply wishful thinking), but particularly don't matter for projects you're responsible for and decided they don't matter. That doesn't mean you must randomly preempt portability, of course.
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  - blueflow 4y ago
    I'm Alpine Linux user.... How would you feel if i said, GNU/Linux users don't matter? Why should i bother to support your platforms?
- eropple 4y ago
  What about them? I don't use Python or Golang, but I install the requested versions of each if I need to do something that uses them. Folks who don't use GNU Make can do likewise. It's not a big deal. For me, every Mac I touch gets a GNU userland by default (and Homebrew comes with shell helpers to switch to GNU userland aliases temporarily, it isn't a hard switch unless, like me, you lock it on all the time) because it's really not worth the time and effort to remember what bits are GNU and what bits are BSD. So I picked the one that has the most stuff that makes my life easier. There's also just the more basic thing of "the author doesn't care about portability to environments they consider out of scope," and that's totally fine, too. In 2022, the barriers to entry to installing the necessary bits of one flavor or another are very low, and if you choose to make them harder for yourself that's mostly on you.
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    It is of course up to the coder, what platforms they want to support. But it isn't always easy to install new software. GNU make is so widespread that it probably doesn't matter. But for example, if you are on a shared machine where you might not necessarily have root. Or, if somebody requires some obscure build system that isn't available in your distro repos (of course you can build from source, but the need to check the source of the build system is going to increase the barrier to entry).

That's a strange take on the post. The post only uses built-in functionality. Options exist for a reason, and defaults are _really_ difficult to change in software used by millions of people.

blueflow 4y ago

The effect is that the Makefile now has a dependency on bash and GNU make. What happens to the *BSD or non-GNU linux users?

formerly_proven 4y ago
They usually don't matter (and unseen-untested portability is simply wishful thinking), but particularly don't matter for projects you're responsible for and decided they don't matter. That doesn't mean you must randomly preempt portability, of course.
- deleted 4y ago
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- blueflow 4y ago
  I'm Alpine Linux user.... How would you feel if i said, GNU/Linux users don't matter? Why should i bother to support your platforms?
eropple 4y ago
What about them? I don't use Python or Golang, but I install the requested versions of each if I need to do something that uses them. Folks who don't use GNU Make can do likewise. It's not a big deal. For me, every Mac I touch gets a GNU userland by default (and Homebrew comes with shell helpers to switch to GNU userland aliases temporarily, it isn't a hard switch unless, like me, you lock it on all the time) because it's really not worth the time and effort to remember what bits are GNU and what bits are BSD. So I picked the one that has the most stuff that makes my life easier. There's also just the more basic thing of "the author doesn't care about portability to environments they consider out of scope," and that's totally fine, too. In 2022, the barriers to entry to installing the necessary bits of one flavor or another are very low, and if you choose to make them harder for yourself that's mostly on you.
- bee_rider 4y ago
  It is of course up to the coder, what platforms they want to support. But it isn't always easy to install new software. GNU make is so widespread that it probably doesn't matter. But for example, if you are on a shared machine where you might not necessarily have root. Or, if somebody requires some obscure build system that isn't available in your distro repos (of course you can build from source, but the need to check the source of the build system is going to increase the barrier to entry).