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Tangentially related to the, as usual, insanely biased/political Vox pure propaganda piece, it's kind of interesting to note how fast society went from "there's

Tangentially related to the, as usual, insanely biased/political Vox pure propaganda piece, it's kind of interesting to note how fast society went from "there's no war on cars, you stupid conspiracy theorist" to just fully, openly, calling for replacement of cars, being fully open in their hate of cars. It's a pattern to remember - how they gaslight you at first about their position until they've made enough inroads to more securely support their true intentions.

bratbag 4y ago
Things don't exist until they do.
hotpotamus 4y ago
Where do you live that you ever heard anyone call a war on cars a conspiracy theory or a reality? I wasn't aware that I apparently needed to pick a side in yet another cultural fight.
rospaya 4y ago
There's no war on cars, but a war between two ton polluting children killers and sensible city design, public transport, good urbanism, healthier living. No conspiracy about it.
dev-3892 4y ago
I love being a victim so much
woojoo666 4y ago
There was another hackernews comment today about a similar phenomenon, on an article about AI > All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident (source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32538563 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32538563) I distinctly remember some other comment a while ago showing how the Reddit hive mind drastically changed positions around certain covid topics (I think about masking?). It's fascinating how groups can be so adamant about their positions one instant, and then switch positions later on with zero repercussions. We need more accoutability.
bsder 4y ago
Careful. You're in the HN bubble. I don't hear this rhetoric in the general public. At best, high gas prices bumped a few people on the edge to buy a Prius instead of a Corolla. Now that those prices seem to be going down, the rhetoric will taper off and people will go back to buying SUVs. One thing that I do expect is driving some of the rhetoric is that cars have just gotten ferociously expensive for everybody not a homeowner in the 'burbs. So, we've kind of gone back to cars being a whopping chunk of your income like the 60s and 70s while we've dismantled most of the nearby jobs and local infrastructure that meant you needed a car less. It will be interesting to see if this is enough impetus to finally change the status quo.
patrick451 4y ago
Excellent point. We are watching the same thing transpire right now with the white replacement conspiracy and the LGBTQETC groomer conspiracy. Six months ago, we watched this happen with the "the vaccine isn't really a vaccine conspiracy". This pattern is so old at this point, it's almost boring. When the talking heads all start telling you "No, X isn't really happening", "Why X is a baseless conspiracy", dollars to the donuts the narrative flips within 12 months.

bratbag 4y ago

Things don't exist until they do.

hotpotamus 4y ago

Where do you live that you ever heard anyone call a war on cars a conspiracy theory or a reality? I wasn't aware that I apparently needed to pick a side in yet another cultural fight.

rospaya 4y ago

There's no war on cars, but a war between two ton polluting children killers and sensible city design, public transport, good urbanism, healthier living. No conspiracy about it.

dev-3892 4y ago

I love being a victim so much

woojoo666 4y ago

There was another hackernews comment today about a similar phenomenon, on an article about AI > All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident (source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32538563 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32538563) I distinctly remember some other comment a while ago showing how the Reddit hive mind drastically changed positions around certain covid topics (I think about masking?). It's fascinating how groups can be so adamant about their positions one instant, and then switch positions later on with zero repercussions. We need more accoutability.

bsder 4y ago

Careful. You're in the HN bubble. I don't hear this rhetoric in the general public. At best, high gas prices bumped a few people on the edge to buy a Prius instead of a Corolla. Now that those prices seem to be going down, the rhetoric will taper off and people will go back to buying SUVs. One thing that I do expect is driving some of the rhetoric is that cars have just gotten ferociously expensive for everybody not a homeowner in the 'burbs. So, we've kind of gone back to cars being a whopping chunk of your income like the 60s and 70s while we've dismantled most of the nearby jobs and local infrastructure that meant you needed a car less. It will be interesting to see if this is enough impetus to finally change the status quo.

patrick451 4y ago

Excellent point. We are watching the same thing transpire right now with the white replacement conspiracy and the LGBTQETC groomer conspiracy. Six months ago, we watched this happen with the "the vaccine isn't really a vaccine conspiracy". This pattern is so old at this point, it's almost boring. When the talking heads all start telling you "No, X isn't really happening", "Why X is a baseless conspiracy", dollars to the donuts the narrative flips within 12 months.