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I recently rented a 2022 Model 3 from Hertz for 9 days. It didn't have the FSD option available, but it did have the preview of what the system would see. Based

by s1mon 4y ago

I recently rented a 2022 Model 3 from Hertz for 9 days. It didn't have the FSD option available, but it did have the preview of what the system would see. Based on that alone, I was alternately impressed and terrified of what the FSD experience would be like. It was mostly accurate in showing other vehicles, but some of their trajectories when turning in front of me looked like a really bad video game with weird orientations and jumpiness. People crossing the road were sometimes picked up and sometimes not. It showed the traffic lights, but didn't display any understanding of turn lane traffic lights. I had the warning for following too close enabled, and it mostly worked but it got confused going through a parking lot once. If this is meant as an advertisement for FSD, I'm not convinced.

IMcD23 4y ago
The Autopilot visualization is different than the FSD visualization, and the FSD UI shows significantly more detail. Go search YouTube for some FSD videos and you’ll see what it looks like.
martindbp 4y ago
Autopilot has basically been shelved for the past 2 years as they've been working on FSD, which will replace the current AP stack. Go have a look on Youtube, there are thousands of videos where you can see the visualizations, it's night and day. To save you the click, here's one released today with the latest version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCTssX2VdKA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCTssX2VdKA
- s1mon 4y ago
  That's crazy then. Is the hardware different, or just the software? I was under the impression that FSD was just basically paying for the software feature. It definitely looks much more dialed in, but still there's a lot of weird glitches with object permanence and physics failures that make me wonder how well this will always work. I was a little concerned with how fast the car was going on Lombard when the pedestrian darted across. It worked out ok, but if the person had tripped, or dropped something and stopped to pick it up, it would have been harder to stop. I skimmed through the whole video, but I didn't see any traffic light recognition of anything more than red, amber, green. Are there videos with more complex traffic lights? It's interesting that they managed to drive in that area without going through any of the weird intersections with cable car or Muni traffic lights. Is the autopilot preview meant to help sell FSD?
  - martindbp 4y ago
    There are 100k people beta testing this, so you'll find any kind of situation imaginable on Youtube, whether downtown NYC, torrential downpour, weird intersections etc. Many Youtubers find edge-cases or difficult routs and then drive that same route for every version to see how it improves (or not). Chuck Cook's famous unprotected left turn is one of those that got (mostly) fixed this release. > Is the hardware different, or just the software? It's the same hardware, just software and deep learning improvements. There are higher resolution cameras and better inference hardware coming out, but they're claiming it's not necessary for full autonomy. My guess is eventually they'll hand it out for free just to avoid supporting old hardware. The current cameras are quite low-res. > Is the autopilot preview meant to help sell FSD? No idea, but I hope they change it to FSD visualizations soon. For a while they've been trying to join the stacks for freeway (AP), city streets (FSD) and parking into one, the famed version 11. Since AP has been using this old stuff that's probably why they use these visualizations. And to be clear, this is definitely not done, requires constant supervision. But it's improving pretty fast.
redox99 4y ago
What's the rationale for renting an EV? Isn't it more troublesome because you probably won't have a charger in whatever place your staying, so you can't charge it overnight?
- s1mon 4y ago
  Well, our regular ICE rental car (2020 Hyundai Elantra) got stolen, likely using a low tech viral method [0]. We went back to the rental company and they wouldn't replace the stolen car until we had a police report. We needed a car, and the options at the airport where we rented were limited. We could get a pickup truck or a model 3 for about the same price. We opted for the model 3 to try it out. There was only one supercharger in the area, but it was close to our hotel, so it wasn't bad. I'd been wanting to try a Tesla, so despite the crappy circumstances, it seemed like a silver lining. [0] https://www.today.com/news/news/kia-hyundai-vehicle-theft-increased-tiktok-trend-kia-boyz-rcna41058 https://www.today.com/news/news/kia-hyundai-vehicle-theft-in...
- lokedhs 4y ago
  I was in Sweden a couple of months ago and rented an EV. In my case the reasons were simple. The main reason is that EV's are just nicer to drive. The second reason is to save money since petrol is much more expensive than charging an EV.

by s1mon 4y ago

IMcD23 4y ago

The Autopilot visualization is different than the FSD visualization, and the FSD UI shows significantly more detail. Go search YouTube for some FSD videos and you’ll see what it looks like.

martindbp 4y ago

Autopilot has basically been shelved for the past 2 years as they've been working on FSD, which will replace the current AP stack. Go have a look on Youtube, there are thousands of videos where you can see the visualizations, it's night and day. To save you the click, here's one released today with the latest version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCTssX2VdKA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCTssX2VdKA

s1mon 4y ago
That's crazy then. Is the hardware different, or just the software? I was under the impression that FSD was just basically paying for the software feature. It definitely looks much more dialed in, but still there's a lot of weird glitches with object permanence and physics failures that make me wonder how well this will always work. I was a little concerned with how fast the car was going on Lombard when the pedestrian darted across. It worked out ok, but if the person had tripped, or dropped something and stopped to pick it up, it would have been harder to stop. I skimmed through the whole video, but I didn't see any traffic light recognition of anything more than red, amber, green. Are there videos with more complex traffic lights? It's interesting that they managed to drive in that area without going through any of the weird intersections with cable car or Muni traffic lights. Is the autopilot preview meant to help sell FSD?
- martindbp 4y ago
  There are 100k people beta testing this, so you'll find any kind of situation imaginable on Youtube, whether downtown NYC, torrential downpour, weird intersections etc. Many Youtubers find edge-cases or difficult routs and then drive that same route for every version to see how it improves (or not). Chuck Cook's famous unprotected left turn is one of those that got (mostly) fixed this release. > Is the hardware different, or just the software? It's the same hardware, just software and deep learning improvements. There are higher resolution cameras and better inference hardware coming out, but they're claiming it's not necessary for full autonomy. My guess is eventually they'll hand it out for free just to avoid supporting old hardware. The current cameras are quite low-res. > Is the autopilot preview meant to help sell FSD? No idea, but I hope they change it to FSD visualizations soon. For a while they've been trying to join the stacks for freeway (AP), city streets (FSD) and parking into one, the famed version 11. Since AP has been using this old stuff that's probably why they use these visualizations. And to be clear, this is definitely not done, requires constant supervision. But it's improving pretty fast.

redox99 4y ago

What's the rationale for renting an EV? Isn't it more troublesome because you probably won't have a charger in whatever place your staying, so you can't charge it overnight?

s1mon 4y ago
Well, our regular ICE rental car (2020 Hyundai Elantra) got stolen, likely using a low tech viral method [0]. We went back to the rental company and they wouldn't replace the stolen car until we had a police report. We needed a car, and the options at the airport where we rented were limited. We could get a pickup truck or a model 3 for about the same price. We opted for the model 3 to try it out. There was only one supercharger in the area, but it was close to our hotel, so it wasn't bad. I'd been wanting to try a Tesla, so despite the crappy circumstances, it seemed like a silver lining. [0] https://www.today.com/news/news/kia-hyundai-vehicle-theft-increased-tiktok-trend-kia-boyz-rcna41058 https://www.today.com/news/news/kia-hyundai-vehicle-theft-in...
lokedhs 4y ago
I was in Sweden a couple of months ago and rented an EV. In my case the reasons were simple. The main reason is that EV's are just nicer to drive. The second reason is to save money since petrol is much more expensive than charging an EV.