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Religion is the only thing devoid of objective evidence. While it is quite tasteless for Scientists to see themselves as better than most of society, an object

Religion is the only thing devoid of objective evidence. While it is quite tasteless for Scientists to see themselves as better than most of society, an objective case can be made that they truly are better for society. That as why most god-based religions try their best to fashion a mimicry of this type of objective evidence. They will always say ‘and you see, this is why there is less crime, this is why men and women are more faithful to each other, this is why there is charity’. Truthfully, there isn’t real evidence for their case - just parlor tricks. The dark side of cults, religions, castes, social class is that a notable percentage of people will use it to validate their weakness via building a wall of ego protection. We are better than you is a potent drug.

verisimi 4y ago
> We are better than you is a potent drug. You don't think this applies to science? Do you see that even your (carefully worded) comment, would be seen as an example of ego, from the other side of the pew?
- jesuscript 4y ago
  Of course I do, it takes one to know one. Humanity is often a desperation. Couldn’t the fog just be lifted? Anyways, I know what everyone else, and I, are up to, and I’m sick of it.
  - verisimi 4y ago
    Right, ok. I'm not sure I know what we are all up to. Feel free to tell me. I am most interested in how to discern knowledge (truth) from belief (lies) - how to stand on solid ground for myself. Being clear on what is presented has been of benefit to me. Try to lift one's own fog, as it were.
    - jesuscript 4y ago
      You seek answers in semantics. A human operates on emotion. The drug, ‘we are better than you’, there’s no knowledge in that. It’s a despair. We are unable to think through it. I don’t want to drive this home too far, but I hope you can feel it.
      - verisimi 4y ago
        Yes, 'we are better than you' is despair. The call of the unformed. Whenever I hear use of the pronoun 'we' it puts me on edge. "It is enough for me to hear someone talk sincerely about ideals, about the future, about philosophy, to hear him say “we” with a certain inflection of assurance, to hear him invoke “others” and regard himself as their interpreter—-for me to consider him my enemy." Emil Cioran There is no 'we', there is only I. But, no, being clear on that point, I'm not in despair.
        jesuscript 4y ago
        Nice quote. I’m happy we can get close to the heart, however dangerous.

verisimi 4y ago

> We are better than you is a potent drug. You don't think this applies to science? Do you see that even your (carefully worded) comment, would be seen as an example of ego, from the other side of the pew?

jesuscript 4y ago
Of course I do, it takes one to know one. Humanity is often a desperation. Couldn’t the fog just be lifted? Anyways, I know what everyone else, and I, are up to, and I’m sick of it.
- verisimi 4y ago
  Right, ok. I'm not sure I know what we are all up to. Feel free to tell me. I am most interested in how to discern knowledge (truth) from belief (lies) - how to stand on solid ground for myself. Being clear on what is presented has been of benefit to me. Try to lift one's own fog, as it were.
  - jesuscript 4y ago
    You seek answers in semantics. A human operates on emotion. The drug, ‘we are better than you’, there’s no knowledge in that. It’s a despair. We are unable to think through it. I don’t want to drive this home too far, but I hope you can feel it.
    - verisimi 4y ago
      Yes, 'we are better than you' is despair. The call of the unformed. Whenever I hear use of the pronoun 'we' it puts me on edge. "It is enough for me to hear someone talk sincerely about ideals, about the future, about philosophy, to hear him say “we” with a certain inflection of assurance, to hear him invoke “others” and regard himself as their interpreter—-for me to consider him my enemy." Emil Cioran There is no 'we', there is only I. But, no, being clear on that point, I'm not in despair.
      - jesuscript 4y ago
        Nice quote. I’m happy we can get close to the heart, however dangerous.