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In Canada each province has a fairly strong teacher union. In Manitoba for example a teacher with 10 years experience will earn approximately $95K CAD (more t

In Canada each province has a fairly strong teacher union. In Manitoba for example a teacher with 10 years experience will earn approximately $95K CAD (more than most software developers here). This with strong pension benefits that can be collected at 55. I know teachers that retired in their late 50s, and will continuing making 70% of their inflation adjust salaries until they die. Relatively speaking this salary/benefits has higher expected lifetime earnings than a software developer. One negative is that the unions are also strong enough that teachers can't be fired/replaced for performance (this is similar to Police...etc). As with any profession the worst of the bunch is very bad, and unfortunately they keep doing it until their fifties at the cost of the children.

gedy 4y ago
I think this applies to the US as well, at least California.
- enragedcacti 4y ago
  It varies significantly by state. Five states explicitly outlaw collective bargaining by teachers and 32 states require it with various limitations on the scope of items that can be negotiated. Some states also have restrictions on striking. https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/research/how-strong-are-us-teacher-unions-state-state-comparison https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/research/how-strong-ar...
anthonyskipper 4y ago
- ipaddr 4y ago
  Why it doesn't lead to better educational outcomes?
- pnf 4y ago
  Some of the worst educational outcomes in the US are in deep blue states and deep blue cities. Meanwhile, suburban communities in the US tend to vote more "red" and are also the places people go to raise families because of the better public schools.
  - enragedcacti 4y ago
    in the USNews ranking, 8/10 of the best states Pre-K-12 are blue, while 10/10 worst are red.[1] When you evaluate things beyond the partisan lens, poverty is a massive predictor in education outcomes which is why many deep blue cities do poorly and why many deep red states do poorly as well. Separately, the suburbs in the US are about as purple as it gets. Suburbs also have the lowest rate of poverty compared to urban and rural. [2] [1] https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education [2] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/10/02/5-facts-about-u-s-suburbs/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/10/02/5-facts-abo...
    - pnf 4y ago
      The point is that it isn't a question of "red" states not wanting women to have high paying jobs.
  - juve1996 4y ago
    Poverty is a better analysis than political lines. Most of the best school districts are in purple districts. The worst ones are in heavily red or heavily blue districts, largely correlating with poverty.
orzig 4y ago
Honestly asking: How are the kids doing? Is there a positive impact from the arrangement?

gedy 4y ago

I think this applies to the US as well, at least California.

enragedcacti 4y ago
It varies significantly by state. Five states explicitly outlaw collective bargaining by teachers and 32 states require it with various limitations on the scope of items that can be negotiated. Some states also have restrictions on striking. https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/research/how-strong-are-us-teacher-unions-state-state-comparison https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/research/how-strong-ar...

anthonyskipper 4y ago

ipaddr 4y ago
Why it doesn't lead to better educational outcomes?
pnf 4y ago
Some of the worst educational outcomes in the US are in deep blue states and deep blue cities. Meanwhile, suburban communities in the US tend to vote more "red" and are also the places people go to raise families because of the better public schools.
- enragedcacti 4y ago
  in the USNews ranking, 8/10 of the best states Pre-K-12 are blue, while 10/10 worst are red.[1] When you evaluate things beyond the partisan lens, poverty is a massive predictor in education outcomes which is why many deep blue cities do poorly and why many deep red states do poorly as well. Separately, the suburbs in the US are about as purple as it gets. Suburbs also have the lowest rate of poverty compared to urban and rural. [2] [1] https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education [2] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/10/02/5-facts-about-u-s-suburbs/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/10/02/5-facts-abo...
  - pnf 4y ago
    The point is that it isn't a question of "red" states not wanting women to have high paying jobs.
- juve1996 4y ago
  Poverty is a better analysis than political lines. Most of the best school districts are in purple districts. The worst ones are in heavily red or heavily blue districts, largely correlating with poverty.

orzig 4y ago

Honestly asking: How are the kids doing? Is there a positive impact from the arrangement?