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Currently turnover is high for many jobs with great working conditions, so it shouldn't be news that people don't want a stressful job with relatively mediocre

by mkl95 4y ago

Currently turnover is high for many jobs with great working conditions, so it shouldn't be news that people don't want a stressful job with relatively mediocre pay. I don't have the data to back it up, but I would expect a few European countries to be the only exception, and only those that have moved on from older educational models.

judge2020 4y ago
Not just mediocre pay, but nowadays unlivable pay with the current rent trends in suburban and city environments.
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >Not just mediocre pay, but nowadays unlivable pay with the current rent trends in suburban and city environments. Not just "nowadays." I recall (I've looked around, but can't find it archived) an article from 2000 in the San Jose Mercury News about full-time public school teachers living in homeless shelters because they couldn't afford housing in San Jose. So, no. Not new. Still a big problem, but not a new one.
  - judge2020 4y ago
    But that’s San Jose - I think we’re seeing the problem spread to more reaches of the US. For example, Savannah, GA is a mostly stagnant area with only 4,000 population growth since 2017 and not much job growth. Meanwhile, the average rent for a 2 bedroom was stuck under $1100 until 2018, and after Covid the expiration of the CDC moratorium enabled a rent boom to $1500. I can guarantee you income has not risen to match that, so anyone already in an apartment is simply dedicating more of their income to paying the rent. https://www.zumper.com/rent-research/savannah-ga https://www.zumper.com/rent-research/savannah-ga
    - nobody9999 4y ago
      >But that’s San Jose - I think we’re seeing the problem spread to more reaches of the US. For example, Savannah, GA is a mostly stagnant area with only 4,000 population growth since 2017 and not much job growth. Meanwhile, the average rent for a 2 bedroom was stuck under $1100 until 2018, and after Covid the expiration of the CDC moratorium enabled a rent boom to $1500. I can guarantee you income has not risen to match that, so anyone already in an apartment is simply dedicating more of their income to paying the rent. You won't get an argument about that from me. I wasn't trying to deride or minimize the issues you mentioned. At all. Rather, I was pointing out that low pay for K-12 teachers isn't a new phenomenon. I wholeheartedly agree that this is a pressing issue right now, and in lots more places than Silicon Valley.

by mkl95 4y ago

judge2020 4y ago

Not just mediocre pay, but nowadays unlivable pay with the current rent trends in suburban and city environments.

nobody9999 4y ago
>Not just mediocre pay, but nowadays unlivable pay with the current rent trends in suburban and city environments. Not just "nowadays." I recall (I've looked around, but can't find it archived) an article from 2000 in the San Jose Mercury News about full-time public school teachers living in homeless shelters because they couldn't afford housing in San Jose. So, no. Not new. Still a big problem, but not a new one.
- judge2020 4y ago
  But that’s San Jose - I think we’re seeing the problem spread to more reaches of the US. For example, Savannah, GA is a mostly stagnant area with only 4,000 population growth since 2017 and not much job growth. Meanwhile, the average rent for a 2 bedroom was stuck under $1100 until 2018, and after Covid the expiration of the CDC moratorium enabled a rent boom to $1500. I can guarantee you income has not risen to match that, so anyone already in an apartment is simply dedicating more of their income to paying the rent. https://www.zumper.com/rent-research/savannah-ga https://www.zumper.com/rent-research/savannah-ga
  - nobody9999 4y ago
    >But that’s San Jose - I think we’re seeing the problem spread to more reaches of the US. For example, Savannah, GA is a mostly stagnant area with only 4,000 population growth since 2017 and not much job growth. Meanwhile, the average rent for a 2 bedroom was stuck under $1100 until 2018, and after Covid the expiration of the CDC moratorium enabled a rent boom to $1500. I can guarantee you income has not risen to match that, so anyone already in an apartment is simply dedicating more of their income to paying the rent. You won't get an argument about that from me. I wasn't trying to deride or minimize the issues you mentioned. At all. Rather, I was pointing out that low pay for K-12 teachers isn't a new phenomenon. I wholeheartedly agree that this is a pressing issue right now, and in lots more places than Silicon Valley.