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https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthcaresystem/bulletins/healthcareexpenditureukhealthaccountsprovisionalestimates/202

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthcaresystem/bulletins/healthcareexpenditureukhealthaccountsprovisionalestimates/2021 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan... In 1997 the NHS had 1/5th the budget it does today. Do we think that service has improved 5 times in the period? Like universities the NHS has been eaten from the inside by administrators whose sole purpose is to keep doctors from doing actual work. Talk to a nurse and 4/5th of the bullshit they have to deal with is pointless paper work.

klelatti 4y ago
2021 and 2020 were inflated by the pandemic. 1997 to 2019 is an increase of about 3.5x CPI over this period was about 80% but large % of NHS costs are salaries so would be expected to run ahead of CPI by at least 1%. Net of all this funding has gone up by say 50%-100% But over this period the UK has had a very large increase in the elderly population who are disproportionate users of the NHS (over 85s up by about 80% roughly I think). Having had quite a bit of contact with the NHS over the last few years I’ve seen much less form filling than I’d probably have expected. And of course that form filling for the nurse is also known as data collection / management information which in any other context would be deemed essential for proper management of the service.
bloqs 4y ago
This is misprescription - it's the LACK of administrative staff to do that specific paperwork that has caused this. Political microwaving of the whole system to "reduce costs" but keep "front line staff" has meant everyone is doing jobs they arent qualified to do and suck at. The amount of people who think they understand the NHS is interesting, and clearly newspaper driven.
- thrown_22 4y ago
  Currently 1 in 60 Britons work for the NHS, this includes babies. At some point you have to admit that good intentions aren't enough.
- klelatti 4y ago
  ‘Too much management’ has long been a tabloid argument to restrict funding - see the Daily Mail front page yesterday. There was a TV programme ‘Can Gerry Robinson save the NHS’ fifteen years ago that had some very interesting examples of problems with lack of effective management.
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klelatti 4y ago

2021 and 2020 were inflated by the pandemic. 1997 to 2019 is an increase of about 3.5x CPI over this period was about 80% but large % of NHS costs are salaries so would be expected to run ahead of CPI by at least 1%. Net of all this funding has gone up by say 50%-100% But over this period the UK has had a very large increase in the elderly population who are disproportionate users of the NHS (over 85s up by about 80% roughly I think). Having had quite a bit of contact with the NHS over the last few years I’ve seen much less form filling than I’d probably have expected. And of course that form filling for the nurse is also known as data collection / management information which in any other context would be deemed essential for proper management of the service.

bloqs 4y ago

This is misprescription - it's the LACK of administrative staff to do that specific paperwork that has caused this. Political microwaving of the whole system to "reduce costs" but keep "front line staff" has meant everyone is doing jobs they arent qualified to do and suck at. The amount of people who think they understand the NHS is interesting, and clearly newspaper driven.

thrown_22 4y ago
Currently 1 in 60 Britons work for the NHS, this includes babies. At some point you have to admit that good intentions aren't enough.
klelatti 4y ago
‘Too much management’ has long been a tabloid argument to restrict funding - see the Daily Mail front page yesterday. There was a TV programme ‘Can Gerry Robinson save the NHS’ fifteen years ago that had some very interesting examples of problems with lack of effective management.
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