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Good though it is, and it is amazing to not to have to depend on the Central Line; it’ll be quite a change when the line can run in from the East and West sides

Good though it is, and it is amazing to not to have to depend on the Central Line; it’ll be quite a change when the line can run in from the East and West sides.

mytailorisrich 4y ago
The more outside of central London ot gets the least benefits it has. For instance, for people starting at the extreme West of the line, Reading, it does not make sense to take it to go to London. People still take the fast trains to Paddington and hop onto the Elisabeth Line there as needed. The line provides extra capacity but not much else in those areas. In addition, the trains are designed to be used as tubes and so are not comfortable for long journeys compared to the previous trains they replace.
- ageitgey 4y ago
  > For instance, for people starting at the extreme West of the line, Reading, it does not make sense to take it to go to London. People still take the fast trains to Paddington and hop onto the Elisabeth Line there as needed. I don't think that's a bad thing. Where I live, I often take the Richmond to Waterloo rail instead of the District Line if I'm going to central London because it takes half the time. But it's amazing to have a multitude of options for long and short trips. Now people as far out as Reading have multiple options as well. > In addition, the trains are designed to be used as tubes and so are not comfortable for long journeys compared to the previous trains they replace The new trains are kind of a hyrbid with a mix of tube-style seating and train-style seating. They are very large and spacious and very long, but definitely more tube oriented than the typical commuter train. I think they are pretty nice, but I guess it depends on how busy it is and if you are lucky enough to get a nice seat. The Elizabeth Line is an interesting hyrbid Tube-Rail that covers a medium-length area. I think all your points are true, but I also think it's cool that they connected the whole line and didnt just build the new central section as a new stand-alone tube line. People across the line will benefit even if they don't ride the whole length of the line very often.
  - mytailorisrich 4y ago
    The people of Reading already had multiple options. As said they've just had an option replaced by a worse option (at least in term of comfort)... Anyway, no-one wants options for the sake of having options. They want fast, reliable, affordable transport, not options. Train transport is getting ever more expensive, it's not getting faster, and it does not appear to be getting more reliable. Now as a tube line in Central London the Elisabeth Line does bring faster commute.
- lampington 4y ago
  Interesting. I used to commute between Reading and London, and had been wondering if the Elizabeth line might have made things easier then; after all, not having to change at Paddington would be nice. But I see that it's 50 minutes vs 25-30 for the fast trains, and even the worst interchange is faster than the 20m loss. Maybe more worthwhile for people further down the route? Even Twyford or Maidenhead to Liverpool Street, for example, sound like they might be quicker.
  - mytailorisrich 4y ago
    Yes, towards London it starts to really fill up after Maidenhead when arriving in Burnham and, especially, Slough (as was the case with GWR trains before the Elisabeth Line, really). Before that it's only people who commute locally between Reading-Maidenhead-Slough where driving is a competitive alternative so it's not too busy. The Elizabeth Line does improve commute within London but in locations like Reading I think people would have preferred more and cheaper fast trains to Paddington as the Elizabeth Line makes no difference for commutes into London or even more local commutes.
wdb 4y ago
Yes, and Central line can get hot during the summer. Only it’s quite a walk from Bakerloo line to Elisabeth line

Good though it is, and it is amazing to not to have to depend on the Central Line; it’ll be quite a change when the line can run in from the East and West sides.

mytailorisrich 4y ago

The more outside of central London ot gets the least benefits it has. For instance, for people starting at the extreme West of the line, Reading, it does not make sense to take it to go to London. People still take the fast trains to Paddington and hop onto the Elisabeth Line there as needed. The line provides extra capacity but not much else in those areas. In addition, the trains are designed to be used as tubes and so are not comfortable for long journeys compared to the previous trains they replace.

ageitgey 4y ago
> For instance, for people starting at the extreme West of the line, Reading, it does not make sense to take it to go to London. People still take the fast trains to Paddington and hop onto the Elisabeth Line there as needed. I don't think that's a bad thing. Where I live, I often take the Richmond to Waterloo rail instead of the District Line if I'm going to central London because it takes half the time. But it's amazing to have a multitude of options for long and short trips. Now people as far out as Reading have multiple options as well. > In addition, the trains are designed to be used as tubes and so are not comfortable for long journeys compared to the previous trains they replace The new trains are kind of a hyrbid with a mix of tube-style seating and train-style seating. They are very large and spacious and very long, but definitely more tube oriented than the typical commuter train. I think they are pretty nice, but I guess it depends on how busy it is and if you are lucky enough to get a nice seat. The Elizabeth Line is an interesting hyrbid Tube-Rail that covers a medium-length area. I think all your points are true, but I also think it's cool that they connected the whole line and didnt just build the new central section as a new stand-alone tube line. People across the line will benefit even if they don't ride the whole length of the line very often.
- mytailorisrich 4y ago
  The people of Reading already had multiple options. As said they've just had an option replaced by a worse option (at least in term of comfort)... Anyway, no-one wants options for the sake of having options. They want fast, reliable, affordable transport, not options. Train transport is getting ever more expensive, it's not getting faster, and it does not appear to be getting more reliable. Now as a tube line in Central London the Elisabeth Line does bring faster commute.
lampington 4y ago
Interesting. I used to commute between Reading and London, and had been wondering if the Elizabeth line might have made things easier then; after all, not having to change at Paddington would be nice. But I see that it's 50 minutes vs 25-30 for the fast trains, and even the worst interchange is faster than the 20m loss. Maybe more worthwhile for people further down the route? Even Twyford or Maidenhead to Liverpool Street, for example, sound like they might be quicker.
- mytailorisrich 4y ago
  Yes, towards London it starts to really fill up after Maidenhead when arriving in Burnham and, especially, Slough (as was the case with GWR trains before the Elisabeth Line, really). Before that it's only people who commute locally between Reading-Maidenhead-Slough where driving is a competitive alternative so it's not too busy. The Elizabeth Line does improve commute within London but in locations like Reading I think people would have preferred more and cheaper fast trains to Paddington as the Elizabeth Line makes no difference for commutes into London or even more local commutes.

wdb 4y ago

Yes, and Central line can get hot during the summer. Only it’s quite a walk from Bakerloo line to Elisabeth line