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Home-schooled kids are missing out on a lot even if you assume they are getting a good basic education and you're also somehow compensating for the social aspec

by Bud 4y ago

Home-schooled kids are missing out on a lot even if you assume they are getting a good basic education and you're also somehow compensating for the social aspects. Just to cite one example: music programs. Drama programs. The arts in general. Hard to substitute for these at home. In addition, more widespread home-schooling serves the right-wing interests that are trying to tear down society in general, and to tear down the public school system in particular, in favor of religious indoctrination and elite schools for the rich. Those interests are dangerous and ascendant enough as it is. They don't need any more help right now.

haihaibye 4y ago
> music programs Mozart was home schooled in music by his father.
- Bud 4y ago
  You actually think that's a useful point? It's not. Mozart's father was an extraordinary musician, and had support from royalty. Obviously, most kids, the vast majority, don't have that privilege. Furthermore, you're missing the social aspect.
Ferrotin 4y ago
What? The right-wing purpose of home-schooling is to get away from the religious indoctrination in public schools. And their support of school choice means elite schools for everybody, instead of just the rich, which is the status quo. And at least in my school district, homeschoolers in the district could participate in extracurriculars like band and drama a la carte.
- 8mHMCkRHnyBi4DH 4y ago
  > The right-wing purpose of home-schooling is to get away from the religious indoctrination in public schools Not even close. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/08/18/texas-schools-in-god-we-trust/ https://www.texastribune.org/2022/08/18/texas-schools-in-god... https://www.npr.org/2022/06/27/1106290141/supreme-court-high-school-coach-right-to-pray https://www.npr.org/2022/06/27/1106290141/supreme-court-high... Their purpose is to get away from the political indoctrination in public schools. And honestly, considering how much of what's taught in school about our government and society just isn't true... I don't blame 'em. (To be fair, a lot of them would probably try and get away from religious indoctrination if it weren't Christian.) > And their support of school choice means elite schools for everybody, instead of just the rich, which is the status quo. How do you figure that? The well-off are still the only people who will be able to afford the best education, because the reality is the amount of money you spend on education is highly correlated with the success of that education. The only thing it will do for the rest is take those with plenty of money out of the public school's tax base, decreasing the quality of education there even further.
- Bud 4y ago
  Elite schools for everybody? Hard to laugh hard enough at that. No. It doesn't mean that at all. We were a lot better off when participation in the public schools was much higher. Draining resources from that system cripples it, and only a tiny minority can afford to send their kids to a quality school without it.
  - Ferrotin 4y ago
    But our public schools are fine, except in places where they have a lot of violence (and private schools are not a factor). Education everywhere is throttled by students’ time and attention, not the quality of the schools. “School choice” means vouchers, so that means everybody can afford to send their kids to a private school. That won’t make the kid any smarter, but they’re usually in a better school culture.
    - LtWorf 4y ago
      choice means a religious indoctrination school normally
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noodlesUK 4y ago
I don't really agree with your first point. In my experience, most music, arts, and sports programs are in the form of after school activities that are open to all kids, and don't usually happen at school. Those sorts of things are a lifeline for homeschooled kids, as it's one of the best ways for them to still be around people their own age. As far as your second point, I have definitely met a number of people as you describe, but they are significantly outnumbered (at least in my area) by perfectly well adjusted people whose kids just can't make it in school for whatever reason. Not every kid is capable of tolerating 8+ hours a day of institutionalisation, especially if they have some kind of medical issue. I think the approach that local government takes with homeschoolers in my area (of the US) is too hands off: I never once met someone from my educational service district who might have checked that I was even alive and not just a tax cheat. However, I think that we should be careful not to restrict the ability of people to home-educate if they want to. Its an important backstop if they can't make the school system work for them, and trying to fit every edge case into the school system is a recipe for some seriously unhappy kids.

by Bud 4y ago

haihaibye 4y ago

> music programs Mozart was home schooled in music by his father.

Bud 4y ago
You actually think that's a useful point? It's not. Mozart's father was an extraordinary musician, and had support from royalty. Obviously, most kids, the vast majority, don't have that privilege. Furthermore, you're missing the social aspect.

Ferrotin 4y ago

What? The right-wing purpose of home-schooling is to get away from the religious indoctrination in public schools. And their support of school choice means elite schools for everybody, instead of just the rich, which is the status quo. And at least in my school district, homeschoolers in the district could participate in extracurriculars like band and drama a la carte.

8mHMCkRHnyBi4DH 4y ago
> The right-wing purpose of home-schooling is to get away from the religious indoctrination in public schools Not even close. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/08/18/texas-schools-in-god-we-trust/ https://www.texastribune.org/2022/08/18/texas-schools-in-god... https://www.npr.org/2022/06/27/1106290141/supreme-court-high-school-coach-right-to-pray https://www.npr.org/2022/06/27/1106290141/supreme-court-high... Their purpose is to get away from the political indoctrination in public schools. And honestly, considering how much of what's taught in school about our government and society just isn't true... I don't blame 'em. (To be fair, a lot of them would probably try and get away from religious indoctrination if it weren't Christian.) > And their support of school choice means elite schools for everybody, instead of just the rich, which is the status quo. How do you figure that? The well-off are still the only people who will be able to afford the best education, because the reality is the amount of money you spend on education is highly correlated with the success of that education. The only thing it will do for the rest is take those with plenty of money out of the public school's tax base, decreasing the quality of education there even further.
Bud 4y ago
Elite schools for everybody? Hard to laugh hard enough at that. No. It doesn't mean that at all. We were a lot better off when participation in the public schools was much higher. Draining resources from that system cripples it, and only a tiny minority can afford to send their kids to a quality school without it.
- Ferrotin 4y ago
  But our public schools are fine, except in places where they have a lot of violence (and private schools are not a factor). Education everywhere is throttled by students’ time and attention, not the quality of the schools. “School choice” means vouchers, so that means everybody can afford to send their kids to a private school. That won’t make the kid any smarter, but they’re usually in a better school culture.
  - LtWorf 4y ago
    choice means a religious indoctrination school normally

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noodlesUK 4y ago

I don't really agree with your first point. In my experience, most music, arts, and sports programs are in the form of after school activities that are open to all kids, and don't usually happen at school. Those sorts of things are a lifeline for homeschooled kids, as it's one of the best ways for them to still be around people their own age. As far as your second point, I have definitely met a number of people as you describe, but they are significantly outnumbered (at least in my area) by perfectly well adjusted people whose kids just can't make it in school for whatever reason. Not every kid is capable of tolerating 8+ hours a day of institutionalisation, especially if they have some kind of medical issue. I think the approach that local government takes with homeschoolers in my area (of the US) is too hands off: I never once met someone from my educational service district who might have checked that I was even alive and not just a tax cheat. However, I think that we should be careful not to restrict the ability of people to home-educate if they want to. Its an important backstop if they can't make the school system work for them, and trying to fit every edge case into the school system is a recipe for some seriously unhappy kids.