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https://www.xkcd.com/538/ https://www.xkcd.com/538/ It's common knowledge that the government has few qualms about violating its own laws. No doubt they won't
by w1ntermute 15y ago
https://www.xkcd.com/538/ https://www.xkcd.com/538/
It's common knowledge that the government has few qualms about violating its own laws. No doubt they won't allow some pesky legal restrictions stand in the way of cracking FDE.
- teaspoon 15y agoAre you suggesting that the FBI tortures every suspected pedophile and spammer who uses FDE?
- fleitz 15y agoI think he's suggesting that the US government uses pain up to and including the amount of pain induced by breaking a limb or organ failure to extract information from those it holds without trial. This assertion would seem to be consistent with the official position of the US government. Whether inducing pain equivalent to organ failure to extract information is a violation US or International law is probably a question best answered by the ICC.
- w1ntermute 15y ago> Whether inducing pain equivalent to organ failure to extract information is a violation US or International law is probably a question best answered by the ICC. No doubt this question has already been answered on numerous occasions with respect to such violations in 3rd world countries and enemies of the US and its allies. However, the US government, for all practical purposes, is above international law.
- teaspoon 15y agoThat's certainly true. If you're being held without trial, you're beyond the help of most technologies and pesky legal restrictions.
- potatolicious 15y agoNo, but they may lie, coerce, and otherwise try to convince you to give up the password without laying a hand on you. This might not sound so bad on paper, but I personally don't know what I would do when locked in a room with a professional interrogator.
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- hugh3 15y agoI am totally cool with the FBI lying, coercing and otherwise trying to convince criminals to give up the evidence against themselves, as long as they don't actually break out the wrench. The idea that you can't be compelled to testify against yourself, present in many western legal systems, is a good one, and is designed to prevent both torture and false imprisonment due to torture-induced false confessions. But that doesn't mean it's not a good thing in those circumstances when a guilty person does incriminate themselves.
- burgerbrain 15y agoHow exactly is coercion ok? These are not criminals we are talking about. These are citizens accused of crimes.
- hugh3 15y agoRight. But if they're innocent, then the evidence won't incriminate them.
- burgerbrain 15y agoAre you seriously pulling a "nothing to hide if you are innocent"? I can't believe this.
- Karunamon 15y agoHeh, that's what you think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
- roc 15y agoThankfully, not all branches of the government go to the $5 wrench solution as quickly, frequently and without fear of accountability. While that's probably no comfort to anyone who winds up accused of terrorism [1], it does mean there's a large chunk of law enforcement officials for whom FDE is still a practical problem. [1] The express-lane to the wrench-room, I'm sure.
- innoncent1 15y agoViolence is far easier and much less expensive. No need to hire a PhD in physics/math and purchase expensive equipment. Why bother? Violence is universally understood (no language barrier). All you need is a few guys who have no feelings. They could buy the equipment they need at Walmart. A few hammers and some pliers. Job done.