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Although AI artists will destroy a lot of jobs, it will also create demand for new jobs for people who specialize in “paint overs” – taking a high concept outpu

by xwdv 4y ago

Although AI artists will destroy a lot of jobs, it will also create demand for new jobs for people who specialize in “paint overs” – taking a high concept output created by AI artists and touching it up to perfection. Or perhaps even beyond just a paint over, and into the realm of recreating an entire AI artwork but with a human touch to get details just right. Looking forward to it.

teddyh 4y ago
The new copyright washing industry is nearly upon us.
- soganess 4y ago
  This is the most underrated/prescient comment I've seen on hn. Once prompt engineering become a mature field this is going to be a serious issue. Finally, the crossover of creative writing x cs... for graphic design? I can't wait to watch the lawyers recoil. ::Prepares Popcorn::
avian 4y ago
> taking a high concept output created by AI artists and touching it up to perfection. When you put it like that, it sounds like a nightmare up side down world. It's not AI that's the tool for enhancing human creativity. It's humans that are the AI's tool, cleaning up the edge cases the AI artist can't handle (yet). It destroys creative jobs that give joy to people and creates assembly line jobs for them to slog in.
- krapp 4y ago
  The purpose of jobs has never been to give people joy, but to extract value from their labor as quickly and efficiently as possible. Getting any kind of emotional satisfaction from one's work is a privilege which arguably points to an inefficiency in the market, as that energy is wasted which could better be put to productivity. Artists, programmers and everyone else will have to find their joy somewhere other than than selling themselves to a corporation, once AI driven markets optimize away any room for "joy" and the like, and that's going to be one of the few good things about automation. The sooner we break people from the Puritan delusion that work defines a person's meaning and the value of their expression, the sooner we can once again decouple culture from the machinery of capitalism.
- 8note 4y ago
  The AI is enabling the creativity of laypeople. That's still an enhancement, even if they don't have the technique to make a polished product
- notahacker 4y ago
  The humans are also the people that come up with the concept in the first place... Also sounds like an upside down use of the tool, since AI generated art really isn't that great at composition once you've got over the magic of it being able to respond to the prompt at all (but is much better at texture and filling in boring details), and the current state of the art AI tools can produce images which conform to a human guideline sketch...
egypturnash 4y ago
As a professional artist, this sounds like hell.
vanadium1st 4y ago
I am already doing exactly that, and am getting paid for it. I am a logo artist and I sell pre-made logo designs. Before the current AI services I had to come up with visual ideas by myself, like a caveman. Now I use the AI to generate a bunch of sketches and blurry ideas, and then use my graphic design experience to polish them up to a usable level. Here's how it looks. https://imgur.com/a/DKTsKdC https://imgur.com/a/DKTsKdC I am absolutely sure that a lot of people are doing the same right now, just keeping quiet about it.
- xorcist 4y ago
  Thank you for that perspective. The linked work is clearly the work of a skilled professional. I am intrigued by the use of AI as a form of creativity assist. As someone without any talent for this, the left pictures are useless for me, as I don't know how to take them into something like the pictures on the right. The point of a sketch is to show them to a customer, but if you would show these sketches to me, I wouldn't know which one would turn out great and which one wouldn't. Given that, do you feel that the generated sketches are useful as a base sketch? I mean, you could probably have used any of the existing NFL teams logos and as inspiration, instead of letting the software remix them for you.
  - vanadium1st 4y ago
    Using existing logos for inspiration (like the NFL ones) is a tightrope because when you get inspired too much you get into legal problems. No one wants a plagiarised or copied logo. Every small borrowed idea, color, composition or a detail is a potential problem. And if you share too much of them - you have an unusable logo. No such problem with AI logos. You can be as much inspired as you want by it, up to a straight copy if you find it good enough.
- SturgeonsLaw 4y ago
  Just tested it after looking through your album, and DALL-E seems pretty good for getting a logo concept generated. This is what I got for the prompt "honey badger logo for an NFL sports team" https://imgur.com/a/i2nnii2 https://imgur.com/a/i2nnii2 Dunno what's going on with that last guy though, perhaps he's had one too many concussions on the field...
avian 4y ago
Here's another spin on this: Imagine you're a software developer. In the near future, your manager wants a feature implemented in your company's app. He throws together a short mail with requirements and sends it to the prompt engineering department. The prompt engineers fix a few typos, clean up the grammar and pepper a few secret sauce keywords around like "in the style of firefox", "in the style of kde". This get thrown into Microsoft Copilot 3.0 that barfs out a bunch of code. Copilot's code has inconsistent indentation, three different method naming conventions and some variables named in a foreign language. It runs, but crashes if you tap on the lower left corner of the screen and allows you to drag the order quantity below 0. But that's ok, it's why we employ software engineers like you in our company. You will use your years of coding experience to touch up AI code to perfection. Better get the details just right until Monday all-hands! Still looking forward to it?
- xwdv 4y ago
  sounds to me like I still get paid handsomely
- chihuahua 4y ago
  That sounds better than my current job where I try to clean up other people's shitty code with atrocious dynamic typing, until the type checker is happy with it.
- PoignardAzur 4y ago
  Honestly, kind of yeah. Something I've come to realise is that I'm much better at fixing other people's code than coding from scratch. I could definitely work with that kind of tool.

by xwdv 4y ago

teddyh 4y ago

The new copyright washing industry is nearly upon us.

soganess 4y ago
This is the most underrated/prescient comment I've seen on hn. Once prompt engineering become a mature field this is going to be a serious issue. Finally, the crossover of creative writing x cs... for graphic design? I can't wait to watch the lawyers recoil. ::Prepares Popcorn::

avian 4y ago

> taking a high concept output created by AI artists and touching it up to perfection. When you put it like that, it sounds like a nightmare up side down world. It's not AI that's the tool for enhancing human creativity. It's humans that are the AI's tool, cleaning up the edge cases the AI artist can't handle (yet). It destroys creative jobs that give joy to people and creates assembly line jobs for them to slog in.

krapp 4y ago
The purpose of jobs has never been to give people joy, but to extract value from their labor as quickly and efficiently as possible. Getting any kind of emotional satisfaction from one's work is a privilege which arguably points to an inefficiency in the market, as that energy is wasted which could better be put to productivity. Artists, programmers and everyone else will have to find their joy somewhere other than than selling themselves to a corporation, once AI driven markets optimize away any room for "joy" and the like, and that's going to be one of the few good things about automation. The sooner we break people from the Puritan delusion that work defines a person's meaning and the value of their expression, the sooner we can once again decouple culture from the machinery of capitalism.
8note 4y ago
The AI is enabling the creativity of laypeople. That's still an enhancement, even if they don't have the technique to make a polished product
notahacker 4y ago
The humans are also the people that come up with the concept in the first place... Also sounds like an upside down use of the tool, since AI generated art really isn't that great at composition once you've got over the magic of it being able to respond to the prompt at all (but is much better at texture and filling in boring details), and the current state of the art AI tools can produce images which conform to a human guideline sketch...

egypturnash 4y ago

As a professional artist, this sounds like hell.

vanadium1st 4y ago

I am already doing exactly that, and am getting paid for it. I am a logo artist and I sell pre-made logo designs. Before the current AI services I had to come up with visual ideas by myself, like a caveman. Now I use the AI to generate a bunch of sketches and blurry ideas, and then use my graphic design experience to polish them up to a usable level. Here's how it looks. https://imgur.com/a/DKTsKdC https://imgur.com/a/DKTsKdC I am absolutely sure that a lot of people are doing the same right now, just keeping quiet about it.

xorcist 4y ago
Thank you for that perspective. The linked work is clearly the work of a skilled professional. I am intrigued by the use of AI as a form of creativity assist. As someone without any talent for this, the left pictures are useless for me, as I don't know how to take them into something like the pictures on the right. The point of a sketch is to show them to a customer, but if you would show these sketches to me, I wouldn't know which one would turn out great and which one wouldn't. Given that, do you feel that the generated sketches are useful as a base sketch? I mean, you could probably have used any of the existing NFL teams logos and as inspiration, instead of letting the software remix them for you.
- vanadium1st 4y ago
  Using existing logos for inspiration (like the NFL ones) is a tightrope because when you get inspired too much you get into legal problems. No one wants a plagiarised or copied logo. Every small borrowed idea, color, composition or a detail is a potential problem. And if you share too much of them - you have an unusable logo. No such problem with AI logos. You can be as much inspired as you want by it, up to a straight copy if you find it good enough.
SturgeonsLaw 4y ago
Just tested it after looking through your album, and DALL-E seems pretty good for getting a logo concept generated. This is what I got for the prompt "honey badger logo for an NFL sports team" https://imgur.com/a/i2nnii2 https://imgur.com/a/i2nnii2 Dunno what's going on with that last guy though, perhaps he's had one too many concussions on the field...

avian 4y ago

Here's another spin on this: Imagine you're a software developer. In the near future, your manager wants a feature implemented in your company's app. He throws together a short mail with requirements and sends it to the prompt engineering department. The prompt engineers fix a few typos, clean up the grammar and pepper a few secret sauce keywords around like "in the style of firefox", "in the style of kde". This get thrown into Microsoft Copilot 3.0 that barfs out a bunch of code. Copilot's code has inconsistent indentation, three different method naming conventions and some variables named in a foreign language. It runs, but crashes if you tap on the lower left corner of the screen and allows you to drag the order quantity below 0. But that's ok, it's why we employ software engineers like you in our company. You will use your years of coding experience to touch up AI code to perfection. Better get the details just right until Monday all-hands! Still looking forward to it?

xwdv 4y ago
sounds to me like I still get paid handsomely
chihuahua 4y ago
That sounds better than my current job where I try to clean up other people's shitty code with atrocious dynamic typing, until the type checker is happy with it.
PoignardAzur 4y ago
Honestly, kind of yeah. Something I've come to realise is that I'm much better at fixing other people's code than coding from scratch. I could definitely work with that kind of tool.