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I don't quite understand how the server would validate the ticket if it's been forgotten. Wouldn't that just allow any forged request to generate a seemingly v

I don't quite understand how the server would validate the ticket if it's been forgotten. Wouldn't that just allow any forged request to generate a seemingly valid ticket and submit a request like that. Further, excuse my ignorance, but can you explain how HMAC would help in a more user-friendly language than what Wikipedia provides?

run4yourlives 18y ago
From one of the articles linked in the wiki entry: Basically it’s done like this: 1. The server passes a random string to the client 2. The client performs a calculation on the password and the random string 3. The client passes the username (in plain text) and the result of the calculation to the server 4. The server performs the same calculation as the client did and compares the output to the output of the client. 5. If it’s a match, the client is authentic.
- JulianMorrison 18y ago
  That's a HMAC password protocol, it's different. In the case of tickets, the one signing is "this server then" and the one checking is "this server now", with a period of amnesia (about the data, not about the password) in between.
  - run4yourlives 18y ago
    Ahh, my bad. I think I see where you're going with this now. You're basically just remembering the last visit a particular client makes on every request, and then resetting the ticket for the next request correct?
    - JulianMorrison 18y ago
      Imagine a disposable photo-ID ticket marked "admit one authenticated client". The bouncer takes it, looks at it, looks at you, tears it in half, and lets you in. You get to make a request, and as you carry the response out of the exit door, a member of staff takes your photo and prints a fresh ticket.
JulianMorrison 18y ago
To validate the ticket, it looks inside the ticket at the user ID, the timeout date and it checks the signature. HMAC is a lightweight symmetric-key signature. Symmetric keys are OK because the same person is generating and checking signatures. Data plus signature equals proof that "I earlier permitted this". I don't need to remember it in the interim. A forged request can't guess the HMAC key, and a forged request with an invalid key is refused. A replay is disallowed after the timeout. The server can also keep track of "spent" tickets until they would have timed out, preventing a replay even during the timeout period.

run4yourlives 18y ago

From one of the articles linked in the wiki entry: Basically it’s done like this: 1. The server passes a random string to the client 2. The client performs a calculation on the password and the random string 3. The client passes the username (in plain text) and the result of the calculation to the server 4. The server performs the same calculation as the client did and compares the output to the output of the client. 5. If it’s a match, the client is authentic.

JulianMorrison 18y ago
That's a HMAC password protocol, it's different. In the case of tickets, the one signing is "this server then" and the one checking is "this server now", with a period of amnesia (about the data, not about the password) in between.
- run4yourlives 18y ago
  Ahh, my bad. I think I see where you're going with this now. You're basically just remembering the last visit a particular client makes on every request, and then resetting the ticket for the next request correct?
  - JulianMorrison 18y ago
    Imagine a disposable photo-ID ticket marked "admit one authenticated client". The bouncer takes it, looks at it, looks at you, tears it in half, and lets you in. You get to make a request, and as you carry the response out of the exit door, a member of staff takes your photo and prints a fresh ticket.

JulianMorrison 18y ago

To validate the ticket, it looks inside the ticket at the user ID, the timeout date and it checks the signature. HMAC is a lightweight symmetric-key signature. Symmetric keys are OK because the same person is generating and checking signatures. Data plus signature equals proof that "I earlier permitted this". I don't need to remember it in the interim. A forged request can't guess the HMAC key, and a forged request with an invalid key is refused. A replay is disallowed after the timeout. The server can also keep track of "spent" tickets until they would have timed out, preventing a replay even during the timeout period.