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> make things which are bland and ugly and depressing How you feel about art is a reflection of you, not society. If you think this art is "bland and ugly and

> make things which are bland and ugly and depressing How you feel about art is a reflection of you, not society. If you think this art is "bland and ugly and depressing" then maybe you should examine yourself as to why you feel that way. Plenty of people find concrete art interesting, attractive, and stimulating.

thepasswordis 4y ago
Do those people attend world of concrete every year do you suppose? Or is it boring when blue collar workers make this stuff, and only high art when an “artist” hires them to do it?
- renewiltord 4y ago
  I suppose we could test that. Why don't you give us a couple of examples of where blue collar workers have made this stuff without an artist directing them?
  - thepasswordis 4y ago
    These are just literally giant triangles of concrete, and city curbs holding in gravel. So an example would be: any freeway overpass in the city of Albuquerque, Las Vegas, or Phoenix.
    - renewiltord 4y ago
      I've only been to the last two and there are certain structures there that begin to evoke the feeling but they don't get there because of their lack of isolation. I tried to paint you a picture using Dall E of what I mean. The isolation means a lot and the raw structure being present without all of the accompanying stuff really just evokes a feeling. https://imgur.com/a/xXIcp5V https://imgur.com/a/xXIcp5V The desolate isolation of the first picture with the gray concrete of the second, made in simple geometric forms really does it for me. But those pictures don't quite do it because of all the other stuff (the painted curb, the sign, the other materials). I have to imagine the combination because I'm not good enough at prompt engineering yet. And I really wanted a far away shot that really emphasized the isolation. The prompt I used was something like "daytime photo of an isolated unpainted concrete bus stop in a desert from far away". I think that many objects that I think you'd describe as built by blue collar workers come close to starting to evoke this feeling. For instance the isolated bus stop thing I was trying to draw there. But this is just like those but with those components of the aesthetics that I appreciate multiplied by a large number.

thepasswordis 4y ago

Do those people attend world of concrete every year do you suppose? Or is it boring when blue collar workers make this stuff, and only high art when an “artist” hires them to do it?

renewiltord 4y ago
I suppose we could test that. Why don't you give us a couple of examples of where blue collar workers have made this stuff without an artist directing them?
- thepasswordis 4y ago
  These are just literally giant triangles of concrete, and city curbs holding in gravel. So an example would be: any freeway overpass in the city of Albuquerque, Las Vegas, or Phoenix.
  - renewiltord 4y ago
    I've only been to the last two and there are certain structures there that begin to evoke the feeling but they don't get there because of their lack of isolation. I tried to paint you a picture using Dall E of what I mean. The isolation means a lot and the raw structure being present without all of the accompanying stuff really just evokes a feeling. https://imgur.com/a/xXIcp5V https://imgur.com/a/xXIcp5V The desolate isolation of the first picture with the gray concrete of the second, made in simple geometric forms really does it for me. But those pictures don't quite do it because of all the other stuff (the painted curb, the sign, the other materials). I have to imagine the combination because I'm not good enough at prompt engineering yet. And I really wanted a far away shot that really emphasized the isolation. The prompt I used was something like "daytime photo of an isolated unpainted concrete bus stop in a desert from far away". I think that many objects that I think you'd describe as built by blue collar workers come close to starting to evoke this feeling. For instance the isolated bus stop thing I was trying to draw there. But this is just like those but with those components of the aesthetics that I appreciate multiplied by a large number.