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Ugh, there isn't anything adversarial about memes - and to say otherwise is to accidentally admit a lot more than you likely intended. They propagate for the sa

Ugh, there isn't anything adversarial about memes - and to say otherwise is to accidentally admit a lot more than you likely intended. They propagate for the same reason that stereotypes do: they're useful.

t6jvcereio 4y ago
"admit"? What am I admitting?
- sennight 4y ago
  That your adversarial framing, at the very least, is aligned with some pretty humorless technocrats who find themselves so thoroughly savaged by ridiculing laughter that they're openly fantasizing about going nuclear with the censorship. https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/networks/radicalisation-awareness-network-ran/publications/far-right-extremists-use-humour-2021_en https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/networks/radicalisation-aw... It isn't difficult to guess at what other defining characteristics you posses once that is established.
  - t6jvcereio 4y ago
    I have no idea what you're talking about, but sounds quite dull. Technocrats? You sound like a lunatic.
    - sennight 4y ago
      A dull lunatic... that insult isn't even internally coherent. Better tell those wackos at the European Consortium for Political Research that "technocrat" is forbidden Alex Jones mouth noise. https://theloop.ecpr.eu/the-european-commission-is-no-longer-technocratic-it-takes-public-opinion-seriously/ https://theloop.ecpr.eu/the-european-commission-is-no-longer...
      - t6jvcereio 4y ago
        If "technocrat" means expertise driven, I'll take that, please. Better than taking the input of people like you. Why are all your comments about Europe though? You sound like you've been radicalized. Get off YouTube and stop watching Alex Jones, I'm saying this for you own mental health.
dllthomas 4y ago
I don't like the turn this thread took, but weighing in here narrowly with something hopefully interesting... The memes themselves needn't be "adversaries" for it to be to the benefit of one of them to inspire rage against the other. "X makes people angry at people holding Y" can help X spread because people like talking about things they're mad about, and the presence of Y actually makes that more effective; the memes themselves are, to a degree, symbiotic within the broader society even as they maybe do bad things to the people in that society. For one particular perspective on this, I enjoyed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc - relevant stuff starts around 3 minutes in.

t6jvcereio 4y ago

"admit"? What am I admitting?

sennight 4y ago
That your adversarial framing, at the very least, is aligned with some pretty humorless technocrats who find themselves so thoroughly savaged by ridiculing laughter that they're openly fantasizing about going nuclear with the censorship. https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/networks/radicalisation-awareness-network-ran/publications/far-right-extremists-use-humour-2021_en https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/networks/radicalisation-aw... It isn't difficult to guess at what other defining characteristics you posses once that is established.
- t6jvcereio 4y ago
  I have no idea what you're talking about, but sounds quite dull. Technocrats? You sound like a lunatic.
  - sennight 4y ago
    A dull lunatic... that insult isn't even internally coherent. Better tell those wackos at the European Consortium for Political Research that "technocrat" is forbidden Alex Jones mouth noise. https://theloop.ecpr.eu/the-european-commission-is-no-longer-technocratic-it-takes-public-opinion-seriously/ https://theloop.ecpr.eu/the-european-commission-is-no-longer...
    - t6jvcereio 4y ago
      If "technocrat" means expertise driven, I'll take that, please. Better than taking the input of people like you. Why are all your comments about Europe though? You sound like you've been radicalized. Get off YouTube and stop watching Alex Jones, I'm saying this for you own mental health.

dllthomas 4y ago

I don't like the turn this thread took, but weighing in here narrowly with something hopefully interesting... The memes themselves needn't be "adversaries" for it to be to the benefit of one of them to inspire rage against the other. "X makes people angry at people holding Y" can help X spread because people like talking about things they're mad about, and the presence of Y actually makes that more effective; the memes themselves are, to a degree, symbiotic within the broader society even as they maybe do bad things to the people in that society. For one particular perspective on this, I enjoyed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc - relevant stuff starts around 3 minutes in.