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> It's quite obviously not beneficial to the homeless people to segregate them. Lol what? There’s a lot of different world views out there. The prominent worl
by lettergram 4y ago
> It's quite obviously not beneficial to the homeless people to segregate them.
Lol what?
There’s a lot of different world views out there. The prominent world view throughout the world is that society forms to protect itself. Pretty basic reasoning: we band together to protect other people stealing our stuff.
Homeless are in effect stealing. They are living beneath the society often selling drugs, on drugs, committing crimes, leaving excrement on the street, screaming wildly, etc.
The homeless are not part of society and are not contributing members. They are living off the society and causing a net negative effect. You could potentially reverse that by getting people into shelters, etc. - how’s that working SF, LA, etc?
The common world view (in Asia, parts of Africa, parts of Europe, etc and historically everywhere) is to push the homesless out of the cities. It’s safer for the society and allows the society to be more prosperous.
Society can care about the homeless, empathy is good. But it’s empathetic to everyone to separate them from the society. People that can conduct themselves can join the society, otherwise your hurting everyone.
That said, the island:
> The program calls for the construction of 50 to 100 “tiny homes” on Virginia Key, an 863-acre barrier island.
Seems like a decent option. They get a home and have the option to rejoin society after they pull themselves together. Although, it’s a barrier island… and I can’t imagine that’ll end well.
- wwright 4y agothe entirety of your post assumes that homelessness is a moral failing of individuals when the entirety of what we know about community development and psychology shows that that is not the case; you can believe in this plan, but you are supported by money and ego, not by actual fact friend
- woodruffw 4y agoThis is a miserable and venal way of looking at society's most needy. The fact that their needs are visible to you does not eliminate their humanity or their presence in society; it makes it all the more pressing that we integrate them and address their needs rather than burying them.
- closewith 4y ago> Homeless are in effect stealing. They are living beneath the society often selling drugs, on drugs, committing crimes, leaving excrement on the street, screaming wildly, etc. This has to be satire, right? Poe’s law. I can’t believe anyone would honestly hold this opinion, let alone be willing to voice it publicly.
- Intermernet 4y agoUnfortunately, satire often pales in comparison to reality. People do hold these opinions. It's largely why progress in society is as slow as it is.
- choko 4y agoPlease define progress. To what end are more "social" policies progressing?
- Intermernet 4y agoBy progress, I mean a higher percentage of the population having a higher quality of life.
- ilikehurdles 4y agoWelcome to this user’s mind. You should read his blog diving into a pillow merchant’s totally legitimate election fraud investigations, his advocating that state legislatures should ignore state constitutions and overturn election results as they see fit, and his comments repeatedly calling abortions infanticide. Unwrap enough layers of libertarian technobabble and you’ll find that the most prominent hn users are just out-of-touch boomers who haven’t realized this community hasn’t had an innovative bone since before Airbnb was incorporated.
- Intermernet 4y ago"Homeless are in effect stealing. They are living beneath the society often selling drugs, on drugs, committing crimes, leaving excrement on the street, screaming wildly, etc." That seems to describe Floridian frat boys...
- goodpoint 4y agoRemove the excrement and you'll be describing billionaires and big landlords. But they are above and not below society.
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- dual_dingo 4y agoIf you really think this, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Homelessness is a problem caused by society, not really a problem to society, but homeless people are a GREAT scapegoat for asshole politicians and people like you are more than willing to jump on that bandwagon. Disgusting.
- syzar 4y agoI don’t know all of the forces surrounding the causes of homelessness. I believe in a country as wealthy as the U.S. everyone deserves food, shelter, and medical care. I live in a city with a homeless problem and it is a problem. They are, by and large, a menace and living around them is unpleasant. Do you live near an encampment and have trash all over the place near your home?
- heedspin 4y agoLike many decisions in life, it may just depend on the spirit with which a plan is carried out. If it's intended to help the homeless, even a bad plan will likely do good. If it's only intended to get the dirty people out of my eyesight, then it will probably do harm. How do we know the spirit with which a state-level plan will be carried out? Not sure. The plan will not dictate how they would be treated on a personal level once on this fantasy isle. My experience with the homeless has instilled that it can be very difficult to help them in a way that I would consider helping. I always accuse my wife of believing that each homeless person is just one protein bar away from becoming a contributing member of society. But if I convince you that many homeless people have a best case scenario of net negative to society, what do you propose then? Probably just help them as much as we can? I think there are probably best paths, but no total wins. This is all based on my experience volunteering at homeless shelters (in SF) and trying to interact with the homeless near me (now in NC). 100% anecdotal. But now I'm just another member of society shrugging at the homeless. I suspect most of us here are. Lots of strong opinions, but not much action. I'm guilty of that too now.