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> “In my opinion, this is not an encampment that is going to be a concentration camp,” said Commissioner Manolo Reyes. “Nobody’s forcing anybody.” If you have

by paulgb 4y ago

> “In my opinion, this is not an encampment that is going to be a concentration camp,” said Commissioner Manolo Reyes. “Nobody’s forcing anybody.” If you have to preemptively defend something as “not a concentration camp” and feel the need to couch it with “in my opinion”, it should probably give you pause.

Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
Like when a cop pulls someone over and they first thing they say is "There's nothing in the trunk!"
wellthatsawrap1 4y ago
Probably because some "activist" on twitter labeled it as such, and instead of arguing the merits/drawbacks it's easier to just use Nazi terminology when you don't like something to generate outrage from the NPCs
- gvx 4y ago
  "Concentration camp" isn't Nazi terminology. From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment): > The term concentration camp originates from the Spanish–Cuban Ten Years' War when Spanish forces detained Cuban civilians in camps in order to more easily combat guerrilla forces. Over the following decades the British during the Second Boer War and the Americans during the Philippine–American War also used concentration camps. > The term "concentration camp" or "internment camp" is used to refer to a variety of systems that greatly differ in their severity, mortality rate, and architecture; their defining characteristic is that inmates are held outside the rule of law. Extermination camps or death camps, whose primary purpose is killing, are also imprecisely referred to as "concentration camps". Now I only know about this particular plan what TFA says, but I don't think it's a reach to be concerned about this becoming an internment camp if implemented.
  - User23 4y ago
    > “Concentration camp" isn't Nazi terminology. From Wikipedia Etymology is cool and interesting, but virtually everyone thinks “Nazi” when they hear “concentration camp” and furthermore you know that.
User23 4y ago
These people, as anyone who has lived in a major downtown knows, are, for whatever reason, incapable of productively or even non-disruptively participating in society. That’s an observable fact that’s not up for debate. The popular approach to the vagrancy crisis here is akin to fighting a raging inferno with policy discussions on the fire code. Yes, root causes matter, and yes in the long run they ought to be addressed, but right now the roof is on fire. Antisocial vagrants are shooting up, shitting, threatening, and even attacking people, all in our formerly safe public streets and parks. This blight on public spaces is an ongoing violation of the civil rights of every decent citizen and it ought to be promptly stopped. I’m open to any workable approach, but pragmatically, putting these people who are incapable of managing their own lives into programs that manage their lives for them is the only evident immediate solution. Everything else that’s been tried, from giving them free stuff to shuttling them around has observably failed miserably. Whether those programs are permanent or transitional and the other particulars are best decided on a case by case basis by affected communities. Assuredly though some of them will need to be managed living facilities of some sort.
- Zardoz84 4y ago
  Aja ... so something like giving money to help to get out of homelessness, shouldn't work, not ? https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/poverty/520415-researchers-surprised-by-experiment-that-gave-homeless/ https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/poverty/520415-... > Researchers behind the bold new study that kicked off in 2018 gave a one-time lump sum of 7,500 Canadian dollars — about $5,700 — to 50 people who had recently become homeless, and allowed them to choose how to spend the money while following their lives over 12 to 18 months. > Researchers found that those who received the money on average were able to find stable housing faster, maintain financial security and stability, and increased their spending on food, clothing and rent. > The study also found the funds freed up space in shelters and saved the shelter system $8,100 per person over a year.
  - choko 4y ago
    Recently homeless is very different from chronically homeless. Recently homeless likely means "fell on hard times" instead of mentally ill and addicted to various drugs.

by paulgb 4y ago

Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago

Like when a cop pulls someone over and they first thing they say is "There's nothing in the trunk!"

wellthatsawrap1 4y ago

Probably because some "activist" on twitter labeled it as such, and instead of arguing the merits/drawbacks it's easier to just use Nazi terminology when you don't like something to generate outrage from the NPCs

gvx 4y ago
"Concentration camp" isn't Nazi terminology. From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment): > The term concentration camp originates from the Spanish–Cuban Ten Years' War when Spanish forces detained Cuban civilians in camps in order to more easily combat guerrilla forces. Over the following decades the British during the Second Boer War and the Americans during the Philippine–American War also used concentration camps. > The term "concentration camp" or "internment camp" is used to refer to a variety of systems that greatly differ in their severity, mortality rate, and architecture; their defining characteristic is that inmates are held outside the rule of law. Extermination camps or death camps, whose primary purpose is killing, are also imprecisely referred to as "concentration camps". Now I only know about this particular plan what TFA says, but I don't think it's a reach to be concerned about this becoming an internment camp if implemented.
- User23 4y ago
  > “Concentration camp" isn't Nazi terminology. From Wikipedia Etymology is cool and interesting, but virtually everyone thinks “Nazi” when they hear “concentration camp” and furthermore you know that.

User23 4y ago

These people, as anyone who has lived in a major downtown knows, are, for whatever reason, incapable of productively or even non-disruptively participating in society. That’s an observable fact that’s not up for debate. The popular approach to the vagrancy crisis here is akin to fighting a raging inferno with policy discussions on the fire code. Yes, root causes matter, and yes in the long run they ought to be addressed, but right now the roof is on fire. Antisocial vagrants are shooting up, shitting, threatening, and even attacking people, all in our formerly safe public streets and parks. This blight on public spaces is an ongoing violation of the civil rights of every decent citizen and it ought to be promptly stopped. I’m open to any workable approach, but pragmatically, putting these people who are incapable of managing their own lives into programs that manage their lives for them is the only evident immediate solution. Everything else that’s been tried, from giving them free stuff to shuttling them around has observably failed miserably. Whether those programs are permanent or transitional and the other particulars are best decided on a case by case basis by affected communities. Assuredly though some of them will need to be managed living facilities of some sort.

Zardoz84 4y ago
Aja ... so something like giving money to help to get out of homelessness, shouldn't work, not ? https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/poverty/520415-researchers-surprised-by-experiment-that-gave-homeless/ https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/poverty/520415-... > Researchers behind the bold new study that kicked off in 2018 gave a one-time lump sum of 7,500 Canadian dollars — about $5,700 — to 50 people who had recently become homeless, and allowed them to choose how to spend the money while following their lives over 12 to 18 months. > Researchers found that those who received the money on average were able to find stable housing faster, maintain financial security and stability, and increased their spending on food, clothing and rent. > The study also found the funds freed up space in shelters and saved the shelter system $8,100 per person over a year.
- choko 4y ago
  Recently homeless is very different from chronically homeless. Recently homeless likely means "fell on hard times" instead of mentally ill and addicted to various drugs.