The author was a guest on the Omega Tau podcast back in 2015 [1]. There is a sort of follow-up podcast with a different guest on the same topic [2]. [1] https

The author was a guest on the Omega Tau podcast back in 2015 [1]. There is a sort of follow-up podcast with a different guest on the same topic [2]. [1] https://omegataupodcast.net/184-societal-complexity-and-collapse/ https://omegataupodcast.net/184-societal-complexity-and-coll... [2] https://omegataupodcast.net/238-societal-complexity-part-ii-todays-perspective/ https://omegataupodcast.net/238-societal-complexity-part-ii-...