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The OPs solution is the only valid solution they have open to them though.

nl 4y ago
It appears there is a script that may help: https://gist.github.com/ejdyksen/8302862 https://gist.github.com/ejdyksen/8302862 Not a great solution though - seems like a UI option to turn this off if it is as widespread as it seems.
joshspankit 4y ago
Almost agreed. There are passthrough dongles that will report whatever EDID you want. However, I think the original complaint is still valid. No highly-technical one-off solution solves the fundamental issue of general usability.
- account-5 4y ago
  All usability comes down to what you're used to. I can't use Mac OS because I don't use Mac OS. Sit me down in front of a Mac and it is practically useless to me, nothing works right, same thing with iPhones. They don't "just work" for me. This is not to say I couldn't learn, if forced to. That's what happened when I started using windows, Linux, and Android after all. For general usability you need agreement on one way of doing something. Cars are this, you can drive pretty much any car because of the standard way the interface is put together. My main issue with people responding to any criticism of Apple is that Apple fans (especially hardcore) can't accept that the Mac OS/iPhone interface isn't perfect and doesn't work for everyone.
  - paulryanrogers 4y ago
    Mostly agree. IME it really depends on the person. And Microsoft has valued backward compatibly and pragmatic solutions almost to a fault at times. I'd day that's been changing since Windows 8. Still as a DOS-then-Windows native I appreciate their approach. Job's insistence on a one button mouse for decades, then a one button phone bordered on the absurd as devices grew in capability. Yet it did serve a portion of the market well enough. Even if it kept advanced features virtually impossible to discover with being taught. Doubtful my boomer parents will ever learn swipe gestures, yet my 4yo is doing them now.
derefr 4y ago
The personal solution is to not buy monitors from manufacturers that fail to put EDID chips in their HDMI signal path. The set of manufacturers that do this is well-documented.
- runjake 4y ago
  I give up. I couldn’t find that list. Where do I look? It would be useful to know what brands to avoid.
  - wishfish 4y ago
    There's probably a list somewhere on the internet but I've never seen one. When I went monitor shopping six months ago, I used the Macrumors forum heavily. There are long threads on the forum for monitors which didn't work well because of edid or other factors. That's how I ended up with an Asus ProArt 4k instead of the Dell I initially wanted. Everyone complained about how MacOS handled the Dell but no one had a bad word for the Asus. Though it was a little frustrating to me that I had to monitor shop in the first place. I bought an MBA to start some iOS projects. I wanted to use my still great 1080 IPS Dell screen that I had used for years with Windows and Linux. But MacOS looked absolutely horrid on it. I know MacOS prefers higher resolution screens, but I was surprised it couldn't manage to handle a ridiculously common resolution.
    - bradknowles 4y ago
      All the Dell monitors I've ever tried have worked just fine. Including the lower resolution models. On those, you don't get the Retina crisp display, but it still works. Of course, I avoid HDMI like the plague. I only use DisplayPort unless I have no other option, and then I don't hold out much hope that the display maker did anything right.
- mcculley 4y ago
  I walked into an Apple Store and asked, “What monitor/TV should I buy such that my AppleTV remote can control the volume and be the only remote I need?” The geniuses shrugged. I asked, “What brand are these displays in the store that are connected to the demonstration AppleTVs?” They shrugged. We turned them around so I could see the backs of the monitors and I wrote down the model numbers. It is far from obvious to me.

nl 4y ago

It appears there is a script that may help: https://gist.github.com/ejdyksen/8302862 https://gist.github.com/ejdyksen/8302862 Not a great solution though - seems like a UI option to turn this off if it is as widespread as it seems.

joshspankit 4y ago

Almost agreed. There are passthrough dongles that will report whatever EDID you want. However, I think the original complaint is still valid. No highly-technical one-off solution solves the fundamental issue of general usability.

account-5 4y ago
All usability comes down to what you're used to. I can't use Mac OS because I don't use Mac OS. Sit me down in front of a Mac and it is practically useless to me, nothing works right, same thing with iPhones. They don't "just work" for me. This is not to say I couldn't learn, if forced to. That's what happened when I started using windows, Linux, and Android after all. For general usability you need agreement on one way of doing something. Cars are this, you can drive pretty much any car because of the standard way the interface is put together. My main issue with people responding to any criticism of Apple is that Apple fans (especially hardcore) can't accept that the Mac OS/iPhone interface isn't perfect and doesn't work for everyone.
- paulryanrogers 4y ago
  Mostly agree. IME it really depends on the person. And Microsoft has valued backward compatibly and pragmatic solutions almost to a fault at times. I'd day that's been changing since Windows 8. Still as a DOS-then-Windows native I appreciate their approach. Job's insistence on a one button mouse for decades, then a one button phone bordered on the absurd as devices grew in capability. Yet it did serve a portion of the market well enough. Even if it kept advanced features virtually impossible to discover with being taught. Doubtful my boomer parents will ever learn swipe gestures, yet my 4yo is doing them now.

derefr 4y ago

The personal solution is to not buy monitors from manufacturers that fail to put EDID chips in their HDMI signal path. The set of manufacturers that do this is well-documented.

runjake 4y ago
I give up. I couldn’t find that list. Where do I look? It would be useful to know what brands to avoid.
- wishfish 4y ago
  There's probably a list somewhere on the internet but I've never seen one. When I went monitor shopping six months ago, I used the Macrumors forum heavily. There are long threads on the forum for monitors which didn't work well because of edid or other factors. That's how I ended up with an Asus ProArt 4k instead of the Dell I initially wanted. Everyone complained about how MacOS handled the Dell but no one had a bad word for the Asus. Though it was a little frustrating to me that I had to monitor shop in the first place. I bought an MBA to start some iOS projects. I wanted to use my still great 1080 IPS Dell screen that I had used for years with Windows and Linux. But MacOS looked absolutely horrid on it. I know MacOS prefers higher resolution screens, but I was surprised it couldn't manage to handle a ridiculously common resolution.
  - bradknowles 4y ago
    All the Dell monitors I've ever tried have worked just fine. Including the lower resolution models. On those, you don't get the Retina crisp display, but it still works. Of course, I avoid HDMI like the plague. I only use DisplayPort unless I have no other option, and then I don't hold out much hope that the display maker did anything right.
mcculley 4y ago
I walked into an Apple Store and asked, “What monitor/TV should I buy such that my AppleTV remote can control the volume and be the only remote I need?” The geniuses shrugged. I asked, “What brand are these displays in the store that are connected to the demonstration AppleTVs?” They shrugged. We turned them around so I could see the backs of the monitors and I wrote down the model numbers. It is far from obvious to me.