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I think the big flaw to anarchism is that in a novel situation, people will default to behavior they know. So in this case, people act like they would act in a

by muzani 4y ago

I think the big flaw to anarchism is that in a novel situation, people will default to behavior they know. So in this case, people act like they would act in a zombie apocalypse. If you had anarchism and called it by some other name, it would turn out differently.

kqr 4y ago
The big flaw of anarchism is that it's basically impossible to get it to work inside a capitalist system. Capitalism at its essence is about converting wealth to violence*, and when you can do that it's very easy to override any anarchist organisation by brute force. Anarchism is notoriously bad at systematic violence because it's basically the one thing it's designed to prevent, so it's very hard to defend against easy access to physical force. ---- * In everyday practical capitalism, it rarely goes this far. It's enough to indirectly imply a threat of violence. ("If you don't obey my orders I could give you a bad performance review which might lead to you being fired and you will risk being out of a job long enough to have trouble paying your dues to society for the necessities and then you will either die or be taken by force to jail. So you better do as you're told!")
badpun 4y ago
Zombie apocalypse is the familiar scenario for everyone? I'm not following.
- muzani 4y ago
  Yeah, everyone imagines that anarchy means apocalypse. And that anarchies mean a Mad Max or Fallout type situation with raiders wearing spikes. Or something from Judge Dredd. An anarchy is more likely to be like a faraway rural area - neighborhood patrols, more self-subsistence, neighbors cutting your grass, some baking banana bread for everyone, people burning garbage, adulterers getting beat up. CHAZ leaned into the TV stereotypes, and not the more natural historical ones.
  - badpun 4y ago
    Were there really any anarchy ever in estabilished communities (i.e. ones that were tied to land/infrastructure/location and couldn't just move easily)? I thought that, in every single case, either a hierarchy of power formed internally or they were subjugated to by outside power. I mean, why wouldn't it happen?

by muzani 4y ago

kqr 4y ago

The big flaw of anarchism is that it's basically impossible to get it to work inside a capitalist system. Capitalism at its essence is about converting wealth to violence*, and when you can do that it's very easy to override any anarchist organisation by brute force. Anarchism is notoriously bad at systematic violence because it's basically the one thing it's designed to prevent, so it's very hard to defend against easy access to physical force. ---- * In everyday practical capitalism, it rarely goes this far. It's enough to indirectly imply a threat of violence. ("If you don't obey my orders I could give you a bad performance review which might lead to you being fired and you will risk being out of a job long enough to have trouble paying your dues to society for the necessities and then you will either die or be taken by force to jail. So you better do as you're told!")

badpun 4y ago

Zombie apocalypse is the familiar scenario for everyone? I'm not following.

muzani 4y ago
Yeah, everyone imagines that anarchy means apocalypse. And that anarchies mean a Mad Max or Fallout type situation with raiders wearing spikes. Or something from Judge Dredd. An anarchy is more likely to be like a faraway rural area - neighborhood patrols, more self-subsistence, neighbors cutting your grass, some baking banana bread for everyone, people burning garbage, adulterers getting beat up. CHAZ leaned into the TV stereotypes, and not the more natural historical ones.
- badpun 4y ago
  Were there really any anarchy ever in estabilished communities (i.e. ones that were tied to land/infrastructure/location and couldn't just move easily)? I thought that, in every single case, either a hierarchy of power formed internally or they were subjugated to by outside power. I mean, why wouldn't it happen?