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I don't use a single Apple product. What am I missing?

by mfcl 4y ago

what-imright 4y ago
e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g. but hey I’m jealous because you have so many pleasurable experiences to come. I suggest jumping in and buying the new iPhone 14. Go all in get the Pro Max. You’ll get a massive return on the investment. I’m a tech junkie, I’ve had it all. Doesn’t get better than Apple
- inb4_cancelled 4y ago
  You didn't really answer the question.
  - what-imright 4y ago
    I did you just didn’t like the answer.
    - Bud 4y ago
      No, you failed to answer, then doubled down and hoped nobody would notice. We noticed.
      - what-imright 4y ago
        my answer was everything - you miss the entire computing experience if you use windows or linux on desktop today or android on mobile. In 2022, if you aren’t using Apple you’re in the red. You might as well not have bothered. Windows is worse than nothing. Android is worse than nothing. Linux is awesome for servers, but the desktop experience isn’t quite there. I’ve used all the platforms. Windows and android are incompetent, poorly designed, serve the user LAST, poorly updated, insecure, spying on you, and annoying AF to use. Worse than nothing. Worse than no computer or phone at all.
        zeppelin101 4y ago
        Have you ever heard of something called "hyperbole"?
        what-imright 4y ago
        Just trying to help really. Using the wrong products has done a great deal of damage to me. Using windows instead of a nix back in the day blocked my progress. Android shares a number of windows like traits. Being a commercial imitation of an Apple product for instance. Or serving the user last. Or just being crap software full of bugs. If you can't listen, your punishment is to keep using imitation product. Harsh. But it is what it is.
        zeppelin101 4y ago
        For the record, I'm very familiar with most of the OSs you mentioned: Windows, Linux, MacOS, and Android (on a variety of devices). And I think the only fair statement is that they each have unique strengths and weaknesses. You can worship MacOS to high heavens, but it is also lacking in many ways and owning a MacBook comes with numerous downsides (as well as upsides), compared to a Windows laptop. The only OS I don't have much experience with is iOS. I've stayed with Android the whole time - largely with Samsung. A high end Samsung phone is an absolute powerhouse, while also looking pretty sleek, if I may say so. I personally think that iOS and iPhones are quite limiting in certain ways. But I would never knock on someone for using iOS. The OS and the phone look very nice and trendy, the whole experience is very well optimized and, at least in the U.S., you'll get certain social perks by having one. Even for older folks, it could be a great choice, because their grandkids will be able to fix most problems that could arise in their phones. Let me revisit a prior point about iPhones - they're not very customizable. On my Samsung, I have a number of customizations: a custom "launcher" ("Nova"), which enables me to tweak things like icon sizes, density, and many many other things (my favorite feature is to use a custom icon set). I could easily keep naming countless other aspects that Android allows me to customize, even if I only customize a few of them. The default experience of a Samsung phone is quite solid, other than maybe having a few too many Samsung-specific apps pre-installed (though at least I never buy through a carrier, so I don't have to worry about any of that bloat). But it's very trivial to nerf them by disabling them or even simply uninstalling them using "pm-uninstall" through ADB. For me, it takes maybe 20 minutes total to apply various tweaks I like to a brand new phone. I have them all written down neatly and they haven't changed much for a while, so applying those customizations is not bother for me at all. But for others? It would be an unimaginable punishment. Many people prefer to buy an iPhone not only for all the benefits I listed out earlier, but also because it is more restrictive. Because of this, you don't have to deal with any of the 'pain' of trying to decide what should be customized and whether you should do so in the first place. But would I judge anyone for taking either route: 1) a Samsung that you customize to a reasonable extent - without rooting or unlocking the bootloader - vs 2) an iPhone that is effectively at stock settings, other than the apps you've downloaded? No, I absolutely would not. Which brings me to my last point.. I think we live in amazing times in terms of technology (aside from the obvious issues related to privacy and social media, which are discussed at great lengths here and elsewhere). We have many choices in terms of hardware and software and our devices can do things we could hardly fathom a few decades ago. I rather arbitrarily chose to focus on smart phones in my rant, but I could have easily discussed laptops, desktops, servers, or some other type of device to make the same point. So I say, "Live and let live."
- donedealomg 4y ago
- ehvatum 4y ago
  What are the three things you like most about Mac OS?
echelon 4y ago
Remember 2000-2005 Microsoft that tried to lock you into Internet Explorer and was deeply into this thing called "trusted computing"? That's what you're missing. You're required to sign in for updates so they can track you. No software patches without monitoring, I guess. No way to remove iTunes or stop Safari from trying to take over again and again. Even if you don't want music to open that way. Steve Balmer would be proud. Remember 2005-8 when you tried Ubuntu for the first time and were wowed with Compiz Fusion compared to the drab Windows XP/Vista/etc window management? That's the feeling you get every time you step away from MacOs finder and the atrocious Mac window manager. You shouldn't need a 3rd party plugin to manage window placement. It shouldn't be difficult to navigate to a directory via a path or run a program or have the file browser automatically resize its icon view. But that's Mac.
- kogepathic 4y ago
  > Also you're required to sign in for updates so they can track you. No software patches without monitoring. This hasn't been my experience. macOS still incessantly bothers you about OS updates even if you decline signing into an Apple account during first-boot, and you can download major release updaters independently from the Mac Store (e.g. using the script from OSX-KVM). [1] https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM
- astrange 4y ago
  Since iTunes doesn’t exist anymore, I guess there’s no way to not remove iTunes.
- gcanyon 4y ago
  > It shouldn't be difficult to navigate to a directory via a path Command-Shift-G my friend. > or run a program Spotlight? (Command-space) Or Mission Control? (Control-space for me, but I think I customized that) > have the file browser automatically resize its icon view You want a window to automatically make the icons bigger if you resize the window to be bigger? No idea how to make that happen.
- kcplate 4y ago
  > You shouldn't need a 3rd party plugin to manage window placement. If it’s a feature you want, and there are multiple ways of handling it, why not go with a third party app with a windows placement scheme that works for you? I do. >It shouldn't be difficult to navigate to a directory via a path or run a program It’s not. I bet I can run any program on my Mac in 6 keystrokes or less. I easily navigate via paths. >have the file browser automatically resize its icon view. Personally this sounds like an extreme edge case preference to me. I would hate this behavior
5350-uiop-1130 4y ago
nothing. you're probably saving a lot of money, something objectively true. fwiw safari is the no 1 worst browser i have ever used, as a developer. it's hot garbage. not the renderer, the browser itself and its dev tools. plus you need an apple account and a 10 trillion gb xcode install just to port your chrome extension to safari, what a joke. and every couple of years apple decides to drop backwards compatibility for X number of products/services you've been happily using because they need to sell new machines or something.
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  Yes, Safari is piss-poor for 2022.
  - ricardobayes 4y ago
    Seriously, how hard is it to implement look-behind regexes? If you have even one in your code, the page will crash in Safari. https://caniuse.com/js-regexp-lookbehind https://caniuse.com/js-regexp-lookbehind

I don't use a single Apple product. What am I missing?

by mfcl 4y ago

I don't use a single Apple product. What am I missing?

e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g. but hey I’m jealous because you have so many pleasurable experiences to come. I suggest jumping in and buying the new iPhone 14. Go all in get the Pro Max. You’ll get a massive return on the investment. I’m a tech junkie, I’ve had it all. Doesn’t get better than Apple

inb4_cancelled 4y ago
You didn't really answer the question.
- what-imright 4y ago
  I did you just didn’t like the answer.
  - Bud 4y ago
    No, you failed to answer, then doubled down and hoped nobody would notice. We noticed.
    - what-imright 4y ago
      my answer was everything - you miss the entire computing experience if you use windows or linux on desktop today or android on mobile. In 2022, if you aren’t using Apple you’re in the red. You might as well not have bothered. Windows is worse than nothing. Android is worse than nothing. Linux is awesome for servers, but the desktop experience isn’t quite there. I’ve used all the platforms. Windows and android are incompetent, poorly designed, serve the user LAST, poorly updated, insecure, spying on you, and annoying AF to use. Worse than nothing. Worse than no computer or phone at all.
      - zeppelin101 4y ago
        Have you ever heard of something called "hyperbole"?
        what-imright 4y ago
        Just trying to help really. Using the wrong products has done a great deal of damage to me. Using windows instead of a nix back in the day blocked my progress. Android shares a number of windows like traits. Being a commercial imitation of an Apple product for instance. Or serving the user last. Or just being crap software full of bugs. If you can't listen, your punishment is to keep using imitation product. Harsh. But it is what it is.
        zeppelin101 4y ago
        For the record, I'm very familiar with most of the OSs you mentioned: Windows, Linux, MacOS, and Android (on a variety of devices). And I think the only fair statement is that they each have unique strengths and weaknesses. You can worship MacOS to high heavens, but it is also lacking in many ways and owning a MacBook comes with numerous downsides (as well as upsides), compared to a Windows laptop. The only OS I don't have much experience with is iOS. I've stayed with Android the whole time - largely with Samsung. A high end Samsung phone is an absolute powerhouse, while also looking pretty sleek, if I may say so. I personally think that iOS and iPhones are quite limiting in certain ways. But I would never knock on someone for using iOS. The OS and the phone look very nice and trendy, the whole experience is very well optimized and, at least in the U.S., you'll get certain social perks by having one. Even for older folks, it could be a great choice, because their grandkids will be able to fix most problems that could arise in their phones. Let me revisit a prior point about iPhones - they're not very customizable. On my Samsung, I have a number of customizations: a custom "launcher" ("Nova"), which enables me to tweak things like icon sizes, density, and many many other things (my favorite feature is to use a custom icon set). I could easily keep naming countless other aspects that Android allows me to customize, even if I only customize a few of them. The default experience of a Samsung phone is quite solid, other than maybe having a few too many Samsung-specific apps pre-installed (though at least I never buy through a carrier, so I don't have to worry about any of that bloat). But it's very trivial to nerf them by disabling them or even simply uninstalling them using "pm-uninstall" through ADB. For me, it takes maybe 20 minutes total to apply various tweaks I like to a brand new phone. I have them all written down neatly and they haven't changed much for a while, so applying those customizations is not bother for me at all. But for others? It would be an unimaginable punishment. Many people prefer to buy an iPhone not only for all the benefits I listed out earlier, but also because it is more restrictive. Because of this, you don't have to deal with any of the 'pain' of trying to decide what should be customized and whether you should do so in the first place. But would I judge anyone for taking either route: 1) a Samsung that you customize to a reasonable extent - without rooting or unlocking the bootloader - vs 2) an iPhone that is effectively at stock settings, other than the apps you've downloaded? No, I absolutely would not. Which brings me to my last point.. I think we live in amazing times in terms of technology (aside from the obvious issues related to privacy and social media, which are discussed at great lengths here and elsewhere). We have many choices in terms of hardware and software and our devices can do things we could hardly fathom a few decades ago. I rather arbitrarily chose to focus on smart phones in my rant, but I could have easily discussed laptops, desktops, servers, or some other type of device to make the same point. So I say, "Live and let live."
donedealomg 4y ago
ehvatum 4y ago
What are the three things you like most about Mac OS?

echelon 4y ago

Remember 2000-2005 Microsoft that tried to lock you into Internet Explorer and was deeply into this thing called "trusted computing"? That's what you're missing. You're required to sign in for updates so they can track you. No software patches without monitoring, I guess. No way to remove iTunes or stop Safari from trying to take over again and again. Even if you don't want music to open that way. Steve Balmer would be proud. Remember 2005-8 when you tried Ubuntu for the first time and were wowed with Compiz Fusion compared to the drab Windows XP/Vista/etc window management? That's the feeling you get every time you step away from MacOs finder and the atrocious Mac window manager. You shouldn't need a 3rd party plugin to manage window placement. It shouldn't be difficult to navigate to a directory via a path or run a program or have the file browser automatically resize its icon view. But that's Mac.

kogepathic 4y ago
> Also you're required to sign in for updates so they can track you. No software patches without monitoring. This hasn't been my experience. macOS still incessantly bothers you about OS updates even if you decline signing into an Apple account during first-boot, and you can download major release updaters independently from the Mac Store (e.g. using the script from OSX-KVM). [1] https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM
astrange 4y ago
Since iTunes doesn’t exist anymore, I guess there’s no way to not remove iTunes.
gcanyon 4y ago
> It shouldn't be difficult to navigate to a directory via a path Command-Shift-G my friend. > or run a program Spotlight? (Command-space) Or Mission Control? (Control-space for me, but I think I customized that) > have the file browser automatically resize its icon view You want a window to automatically make the icons bigger if you resize the window to be bigger? No idea how to make that happen.
kcplate 4y ago
> You shouldn't need a 3rd party plugin to manage window placement. If it’s a feature you want, and there are multiple ways of handling it, why not go with a third party app with a windows placement scheme that works for you? I do. >It shouldn't be difficult to navigate to a directory via a path or run a program It’s not. I bet I can run any program on my Mac in 6 keystrokes or less. I easily navigate via paths. >have the file browser automatically resize its icon view. Personally this sounds like an extreme edge case preference to me. I would hate this behavior

5350-uiop-1130 4y ago

nothing. you're probably saving a lot of money, something objectively true. fwiw safari is the no 1 worst browser i have ever used, as a developer. it's hot garbage. not the renderer, the browser itself and its dev tools. plus you need an apple account and a 10 trillion gb xcode install just to port your chrome extension to safari, what a joke. and every couple of years apple decides to drop backwards compatibility for X number of products/services you've been happily using because they need to sell new machines or something.

hammyhavoc 4y ago
Yes, Safari is piss-poor for 2022.
- ricardobayes 4y ago
  Seriously, how hard is it to implement look-behind regexes? If you have even one in your code, the page will crash in Safari. https://caniuse.com/js-regexp-lookbehind https://caniuse.com/js-regexp-lookbehind