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Having gone through depression, I think there needs to be a higher bar for euthanasia. Yes there are terrible incurable sufferings that may need it, but making

Having gone through depression, I think there needs to be a higher bar for euthanasia. Yes there are terrible incurable sufferings that may need it, but making it available widely with no counter measure is a very dangerous proposition.

yumraj 4y ago
> making it available widely with no counter measure is a very dangerous proposition. Why? And, dangerous to whom?
- daenz 4y ago
  Dangerous to the people who would impulsively choose to be euthanized?
  - jmcgough 4y ago
    Canada has a 90-day assessment/waiting period for those whose deaths are not reasonably foreseeable. They won't euthanize you unless you seem capable of making the decision and have thought through it for an extended length of time. It's not an impulsive thing.
    - pavlov5867 4y ago
      And yet, "Within a month, Nichols submitted a request to be euthanized and he was killed" which is pretty quick considering median waiting time of 25.6 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment[1] [1]https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2021 https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wa...
  - yumraj 4y ago
    But, isn’t it their choice? If they are adults, and have lived at least a few decades.. I’ve never figured out why we as a society want to impose our morality on others.
    - dudul 4y ago
      I find this statement a bit too generic. Should society allow everything happening between consenting adults?
      - int_19h 4y ago
        Shouldn't it?
      - yumraj 4y ago
        Between "consenting" adults that doesn't involve anyone else, absolutely.. Could you give an example when it shouldn't be allowed. It's certainly possible I'm not considering everything.
        dudul 4y ago
        There was this case a while ago of a wannabe cannibal who found someone who wanted to be eaten. The cannibal was arrested. Are you saying he shouldn't have been and it was perfectly fine for him to eat a consenting adult? And admittedly I'm reaching right away for the edgiest of edge cases. Edit to add the link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes
LorenPechtel 4y ago
To me the important issue is incurable. If there is reasonable hope for the situation to get better then death is almost certainly the wrong answer. If the situation can't be fixed I see it as the patient's choice as to whether the situation makes life worse than death. I don't believe any outsider can make that decision for somebody. (However, I do think people who knew someone well might be able to know what somebody's wishes were. I knew how my mother felt--if the hospital can't fix her up enough to send her home then palliative care only. In a society that permitted euthanasia it would be that rather than palliative care only.)

yumraj 4y ago

> making it available widely with no counter measure is a very dangerous proposition. Why? And, dangerous to whom?

daenz 4y ago
Dangerous to the people who would impulsively choose to be euthanized?
- jmcgough 4y ago
  Canada has a 90-day assessment/waiting period for those whose deaths are not reasonably foreseeable. They won't euthanize you unless you seem capable of making the decision and have thought through it for an extended length of time. It's not an impulsive thing.
  - pavlov5867 4y ago
    And yet, "Within a month, Nichols submitted a request to be euthanized and he was killed" which is pretty quick considering median waiting time of 25.6 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment[1] [1]https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2021 https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wa...
- yumraj 4y ago
  But, isn’t it their choice? If they are adults, and have lived at least a few decades.. I’ve never figured out why we as a society want to impose our morality on others.
  - dudul 4y ago
    I find this statement a bit too generic. Should society allow everything happening between consenting adults?
    - int_19h 4y ago
      Shouldn't it?
    - yumraj 4y ago
      Between "consenting" adults that doesn't involve anyone else, absolutely.. Could you give an example when it shouldn't be allowed. It's certainly possible I'm not considering everything.
      - dudul 4y ago
        There was this case a while ago of a wannabe cannibal who found someone who wanted to be eaten. The cannibal was arrested. Are you saying he shouldn't have been and it was perfectly fine for him to eat a consenting adult? And admittedly I'm reaching right away for the edgiest of edge cases. Edit to add the link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes

LorenPechtel 4y ago

To me the important issue is incurable. If there is reasonable hope for the situation to get better then death is almost certainly the wrong answer. If the situation can't be fixed I see it as the patient's choice as to whether the situation makes life worse than death. I don't believe any outsider can make that decision for somebody. (However, I do think people who knew someone well might be able to know what somebody's wishes were. I knew how my mother felt--if the hospital can't fix her up enough to send her home then palliative care only. In a society that permitted euthanasia it would be that rather than palliative care only.)