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Everyone is “neurodiverse”, no?

by dqpb 4y ago

9991 4y ago
Individuals can’t be diverse. Only groups.
- barry-cotter 4y ago
  - ethbr0 4y ago
    Definition of intersectionality: the complex, cumulative way in which the effects of multiple forms of discrimination (such as racism, sexism, and classism) combine, overlap, or intersect especially in the experiences of marginalized individuals or groups https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intersectionality https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intersectionality
- bawolff 4y ago
  The word diverse can mean "different" (implicitly, different from "norm") which individuals certainly can be. Other comments are saying things like woke people are redefining terms, but this is not a new usage. Wiktionary has quotes from the 1700s using it https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/diverse https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/diverse
2fast4you 4y ago
I think they mean neurodivergent, which makes a lot more sense
faeriechangling 4y ago
It's supposed to be the counterpart to "Neurotypical". Neurotypicals are especially more neurologically typical than average, and the Neurodiverse are especially neurologically diverse. While we may all be unique, some are less unique than others. I tend to hate woke disability jargon like this because jargon has the incredibly ironic flaw of being less accessible to people with learning disabilities, who are ESL, or who are young. Neurodiverse is one of the more common bits of jargon though, wiki has a big page on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodiversity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodiversity
- DaiPlusPlus 4y ago
  > Neurotypicals are especially neurologically typical than average, and the Neurodiverse are especially neurologically diverse That's a tad too tautological.
  - bawolff 4y ago
    I dont think that's expressed particularly well, but that's pretty much how all variable traits are. E.g. Normal height people are closer to average than abnormally tall people.
- jdgoesmarching 4y ago
  > woke disability jargon It’s just a label used to describe people with similar or overlapping developmental disorders. The word could be more concise I suppose, but then you’re just waging this tiny cultural war on words being too big. I’m starting to think the anti-“woke” crowd are just people who get offended at any vocabulary that gains popularity after their early 20s.
  - faeriechangling 4y ago
    No it really is specifically about jargon. Also Neurodiverse was coined in the 90s, it's pretty old now. Also within these communities, ND/NT are not very verbose, because they can be abbreviated like that. Have you looked around in tech? There's tons of people who lack a full command of English. There are tons of "barstool conservatives". Using words like "neurodiverse" is like shooting myself in the foot before I even get started. I'm not consistent about being concise and not wordy, look at how I write in general, it's really not that accessible but it's hard to write accessibly but an easy way to do so is to avoid jargon. I'll use these terms within these communities where necessary, but not outside of them, notice how the mere use of this word caused a shitstorm in the comments.
    - antifa 4y ago
      > Have you looked around in tech? There's tons of people who lack a full command of English. Have _you_ looked around in tech? This argument that ND/NT are "jargon" and "difficult" for ESL people is patently absurd. > jargon > special words or expressions that are used by a particular profession or group and are difficult for others to understand. ND/NT are simple combinations of their base words that derive meaning from the most intuitive interpretation of combining them. Looking up new words is just part of daily life for ESL. Learn some basic common words/morphemes: neuro, divergent, typical. Combine them and get a nearly self-defining new word and simple concept. You know what's _not_ that simple? Idioms. AWS. "My dogs are barking". "You're not even wrong". Spelling e.g.: centre/center. Pronounce e.g.: thought/drought/tough. But ESLs in tech have it hard? Yeah, when it comes to tech. Learning NT/ND is about as difficult as remembering that Burger King sells burgers. Tech is where it's actually rough on not just ESL, but _everyone_. Everything in tech is _actually_ jargon, and sometimes it's piles of jargon built on mountains of jargon. And when it's not jargon, it's math and computer science, if you even distinguish that. ESL learners spend all day looking at AWS concepts like EC2/ECR/ECS/EBS/EFS/beanstalk/Alexa/Athena/Aurora/Corretto and they are graciously thankful NT/ND is a simple word that's not a trick word or an idiom or jargon. The real problem anyone has with ND/NT is purely political tribalism and has nothing to with the word itself.
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blooalien 4y ago
That gets kinda to the heart of the problem of "labels" right there. It's just a way for people to label groups of "other" to make them easier to target for fear and hatred. Everyone is different (even so-called "identical" twins), and you can group 'em together a billion billion different ways.
the_omegist 4y ago
Sounds like newspeak to me...

Everyone is “neurodiverse”, no?

by dqpb 4y ago

Everyone is “neurodiverse”, no?

9991 4y ago

Individuals can’t be diverse. Only groups.

barry-cotter 4y ago
- ethbr0 4y ago
  Definition of intersectionality: the complex, cumulative way in which the effects of multiple forms of discrimination (such as racism, sexism, and classism) combine, overlap, or intersect especially in the experiences of marginalized individuals or groups https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intersectionality https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intersectionality
bawolff 4y ago
The word diverse can mean "different" (implicitly, different from "norm") which individuals certainly can be. Other comments are saying things like woke people are redefining terms, but this is not a new usage. Wiktionary has quotes from the 1700s using it https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/diverse https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/diverse

2fast4you 4y ago

I think they mean neurodivergent, which makes a lot more sense

faeriechangling 4y ago

It's supposed to be the counterpart to "Neurotypical". Neurotypicals are especially more neurologically typical than average, and the Neurodiverse are especially neurologically diverse. While we may all be unique, some are less unique than others. I tend to hate woke disability jargon like this because jargon has the incredibly ironic flaw of being less accessible to people with learning disabilities, who are ESL, or who are young. Neurodiverse is one of the more common bits of jargon though, wiki has a big page on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodiversity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodiversity

DaiPlusPlus 4y ago
> Neurotypicals are especially neurologically typical than average, and the Neurodiverse are especially neurologically diverse That's a tad too tautological.
- bawolff 4y ago
  I dont think that's expressed particularly well, but that's pretty much how all variable traits are. E.g. Normal height people are closer to average than abnormally tall people.
jdgoesmarching 4y ago
> woke disability jargon It’s just a label used to describe people with similar or overlapping developmental disorders. The word could be more concise I suppose, but then you’re just waging this tiny cultural war on words being too big. I’m starting to think the anti-“woke” crowd are just people who get offended at any vocabulary that gains popularity after their early 20s.
- faeriechangling 4y ago
  No it really is specifically about jargon. Also Neurodiverse was coined in the 90s, it's pretty old now. Also within these communities, ND/NT are not very verbose, because they can be abbreviated like that. Have you looked around in tech? There's tons of people who lack a full command of English. There are tons of "barstool conservatives". Using words like "neurodiverse" is like shooting myself in the foot before I even get started. I'm not consistent about being concise and not wordy, look at how I write in general, it's really not that accessible but it's hard to write accessibly but an easy way to do so is to avoid jargon. I'll use these terms within these communities where necessary, but not outside of them, notice how the mere use of this word caused a shitstorm in the comments.
  - antifa 4y ago
    > Have you looked around in tech? There's tons of people who lack a full command of English. Have _you_ looked around in tech? This argument that ND/NT are "jargon" and "difficult" for ESL people is patently absurd. > jargon > special words or expressions that are used by a particular profession or group and are difficult for others to understand. ND/NT are simple combinations of their base words that derive meaning from the most intuitive interpretation of combining them. Looking up new words is just part of daily life for ESL. Learn some basic common words/morphemes: neuro, divergent, typical. Combine them and get a nearly self-defining new word and simple concept. You know what's _not_ that simple? Idioms. AWS. "My dogs are barking". "You're not even wrong". Spelling e.g.: centre/center. Pronounce e.g.: thought/drought/tough. But ESLs in tech have it hard? Yeah, when it comes to tech. Learning NT/ND is about as difficult as remembering that Burger King sells burgers. Tech is where it's actually rough on not just ESL, but _everyone_. Everything in tech is _actually_ jargon, and sometimes it's piles of jargon built on mountains of jargon. And when it's not jargon, it's math and computer science, if you even distinguish that. ESL learners spend all day looking at AWS concepts like EC2/ECR/ECS/EBS/EFS/beanstalk/Alexa/Athena/Aurora/Corretto and they are graciously thankful NT/ND is a simple word that's not a trick word or an idiom or jargon. The real problem anyone has with ND/NT is purely political tribalism and has nothing to with the word itself.

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blooalien 4y ago

That gets kinda to the heart of the problem of "labels" right there. It's just a way for people to label groups of "other" to make them easier to target for fear and hatred. Everyone is different (even so-called "identical" twins), and you can group 'em together a billion billion different ways.

the_omegist 4y ago

Sounds like newspeak to me...