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This is upside down. First - we already have software that can unequivocally do the things you just highlighted. Learn? Check. Replicate? Trival. But what do

This is upside down. First - we already have software that can unequivocally do the things you just highlighted. Learn? Check. Replicate? Trival. But what does that have to do with AGI? Solve Problems Humans Cannot. Check. So we already have 'AGI' and it's a simple computer program. Thinking about 'AGI' as a discrete, autonomous system makes no sense. We will achieve highly intelligent systems with distributed systems decades before we have some 'individual neural net on a chip' that feels human like. And when we do make it, where do we draw the line on it? Is a 'process' running a specific bit of software an 'AI'? What if the AI depends on a myriad of micro-services in order to function. And those micro-services are shared? Where is the 'Unit AI'? The notion of an autonmous AI, like a unit of software on some specific hardware distinct from other components actually makes little sense. Emergent AI systems will start to develop out of our current systems long before 'autonomic' AI. In fact, there's no reason at all to even develop 'autonomic AI'. We do it because we want to model it after our own existence.

ryanSrich 4y ago
> Learn? Check. What software can learn on its own without any assistance from a huamn? I've not heard of anything like this. > Replicate? Trival. But what does that have to do with AGI? Like humans, an AGI should be able to replicate. Similar to a von neumann probe. > Solve Problems Humans Cannot. Check. What unthinkable problem has an AI solved? Is something capable of solving something so grandiose we almost can't even define the problem yet?
- dinosaurdynasty 4y ago
  Everyone talking about AGI is talking about something that we haven't figured out to build yet. Think back to the 1930's when some physicists were mumbling something about "throwing a neutron at an atom that releases two neutrons and release tremendous energy"
est31 4y ago
> Replicate? Trival. But what does that have to do with AGI? If you see it as copying an existing model to another computer, yes it is trivial. But an AGI trying to replicate itself in the real world has to also make those computers. Making modern computer chips is one of the most non-trivial things that humans do. They require fabs that cost billions, with all sorts of chemicals inside, and extreme requirements on the inside environment. Very hard to build, very easy to disable them via an attack.
- dinosaurdynasty 4y ago
  Buy compute with stolen cryptocurrency. Convince a couple rich people that it can cure aging with _just_ enough compute. Hack datacenters (an AGI would likely be much much much better at finding security holes than humans). Make _really really funny videos_ and create the most popular Patreon of all time. If you're 500 IQ or above there are a _lot_ of things you can do, and probably simultaneously, since an AGI probably won't be limited by human's ability to think ~one thought at a time. (Being less than 500 IQ myself I probably haven't thought of everything.)
  - est31 4y ago
    Sure, this will help with some initial growth in computing resources, if this is seen as a required goal by an "evil" AGI agent before the destruction of humans. And it will have an easy time to hide in the growing computing industry. But if it e.g. kills all humans, it's suddenly left with a limited number of chips and can't grow beyond that number, without being able to manufacture new chips. It can't survive for really long times due to degradation of its own hardware. It might try to monitor humans first as they build and run chip fabs, debug issues, etc. Those fabs themselves need tools that have complex manufacturing processes of their own. It's extremely complicated. The AGI might be able to pull it off because it's so smart, but I wouldn't call it a trivial task. Unless you say that practically anything is trivial for AGI because of its capabilities, but then the sentence "x is trivial" loses meaning :).
    - dinosaurdynasty 4y ago
      > But if it e.g. kills all humans, it's suddenly left with a limited number of chips and can't grow beyond that number, without being able to manufacture new chips. I imagine an better-than-human AGI could figure this out and plan/act accordingly, considering a mere human being figured this out. (Also sometimes it might be better to think of an AGI, when it gets to a certain level, as a nation state and not an individual) > trivial It doesn't need to be trivial to be incredibly dangerous > The AI does not hate you, nor does it love you, but you are made of atoms which it can use for something else

ryanSrich 4y ago

> Learn? Check. What software can learn on its own without any assistance from a huamn? I've not heard of anything like this. > Replicate? Trival. But what does that have to do with AGI? Like humans, an AGI should be able to replicate. Similar to a von neumann probe. > Solve Problems Humans Cannot. Check. What unthinkable problem has an AI solved? Is something capable of solving something so grandiose we almost can't even define the problem yet?

dinosaurdynasty 4y ago
Everyone talking about AGI is talking about something that we haven't figured out to build yet. Think back to the 1930's when some physicists were mumbling something about "throwing a neutron at an atom that releases two neutrons and release tremendous energy"

est31 4y ago

> Replicate? Trival. But what does that have to do with AGI? If you see it as copying an existing model to another computer, yes it is trivial. But an AGI trying to replicate itself in the real world has to also make those computers. Making modern computer chips is one of the most non-trivial things that humans do. They require fabs that cost billions, with all sorts of chemicals inside, and extreme requirements on the inside environment. Very hard to build, very easy to disable them via an attack.

dinosaurdynasty 4y ago
Buy compute with stolen cryptocurrency. Convince a couple rich people that it can cure aging with _just_ enough compute. Hack datacenters (an AGI would likely be much much much better at finding security holes than humans). Make _really really funny videos_ and create the most popular Patreon of all time. If you're 500 IQ or above there are a _lot_ of things you can do, and probably simultaneously, since an AGI probably won't be limited by human's ability to think ~one thought at a time. (Being less than 500 IQ myself I probably haven't thought of everything.)
- est31 4y ago
  Sure, this will help with some initial growth in computing resources, if this is seen as a required goal by an "evil" AGI agent before the destruction of humans. And it will have an easy time to hide in the growing computing industry. But if it e.g. kills all humans, it's suddenly left with a limited number of chips and can't grow beyond that number, without being able to manufacture new chips. It can't survive for really long times due to degradation of its own hardware. It might try to monitor humans first as they build and run chip fabs, debug issues, etc. Those fabs themselves need tools that have complex manufacturing processes of their own. It's extremely complicated. The AGI might be able to pull it off because it's so smart, but I wouldn't call it a trivial task. Unless you say that practically anything is trivial for AGI because of its capabilities, but then the sentence "x is trivial" loses meaning :).
  - dinosaurdynasty 4y ago
    > But if it e.g. kills all humans, it's suddenly left with a limited number of chips and can't grow beyond that number, without being able to manufacture new chips. I imagine an better-than-human AGI could figure this out and plan/act accordingly, considering a mere human being figured this out. (Also sometimes it might be better to think of an AGI, when it gets to a certain level, as a nation state and not an individual) > trivial It doesn't need to be trivial to be incredibly dangerous > The AI does not hate you, nor does it love you, but you are made of atoms which it can use for something else