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It’s not blowing 20 million if it results in meaningful progress in this area. We have something like 2700 billionaires on this planet. This isn’t even a drop i

It’s not blowing 20 million if it results in meaningful progress in this area. We have something like 2700 billionaires on this planet. This isn’t even a drop in the bucket for someone like that interested in furthering this research. AGI could quite literally shift any job to automation. This is human-experience changing stuff.

blibble 4y ago
> This is human-experience changing stuff. that's one way of putting it it will remove the need for the vast majority of the population, which will end extremely badly
- gizajob 4y ago
  But by the same token, there's no need for billions of humans now. AGI isn't really going to change that except for making work even more superfluous than it already is.
  - Jensson 4y ago
    Currently the life of leaders gets better the more people they can control, since it creates a larger tax base. That means leaders tries to encourage population increase, they want more immigration, encourages people to multiply and sees population reduction as harmful. With AGI that is no longer true, they can just replace most people with computers and automated combat drones while they keep a small number of personal servants to look after them. Currently most jobs either is there to support other humans or can be replaced by a computer, remove the need for humans and all of those jobs just disappear and leaders no longer care about having lots of people around.
- omg_stoppit 4y ago
  And as societies progress, they must either realize why basic necessities like Universal Basic Income exist, or just allow for large swathes of their population to die off.
- ge96 4y ago
  I wonder about this, if you had great/true automation, free energy from the sun, is there any need to do anything. As in value of money.
  - Arcuru 4y ago
    If you want to look into it more, that situation is usually called a post-scarcity economy[1]. It's talked about and depicted in a few fictionalized places, including Star Trek. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-scarcity_economy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-scarcity_economy
    - blibble 4y ago
      in Star Trek: the Federation has unlimited energy and the ability to replicate most forms of matter but human(oid) intelligence is still scarce, and they don't have AGI (other than Data) there is however a society that has no need for humanoid intelligence, and that's the Dominion and I suspect that is what our society would turn into if AGI is invented (and not the Federation)
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    But who would own the automatons and power generators, and what would be their impetus to share their power? Unless the means of (energy) production moved out of the hands of the few it seems like it wouldn't make the rest of our lives any more idyllic.
    - ge96 4y ago
      Yeah it's true. When I donate/help I always feel this "mine". I believe in merit, you know, effort in effort out. It's nice to help people but there are also too many... and bad actors. So idk if it'll ever happen or just for select few anyway. I almost regret being at this phase of life where we are aware of what's possible but we most likely not see it in our lifetime. This AGI talk, colonization of space, etc... but can strive towards it/have fun trying in the meantime.
barrysteve 4y ago
Whatever you automate and is truly useful becomes the next hammer, circular saw or vice grips. The human experience which is being changed, is creating better tools for the next generation.

blibble 4y ago

> This is human-experience changing stuff. that's one way of putting it it will remove the need for the vast majority of the population, which will end extremely badly

gizajob 4y ago
But by the same token, there's no need for billions of humans now. AGI isn't really going to change that except for making work even more superfluous than it already is.
- Jensson 4y ago
  Currently the life of leaders gets better the more people they can control, since it creates a larger tax base. That means leaders tries to encourage population increase, they want more immigration, encourages people to multiply and sees population reduction as harmful. With AGI that is no longer true, they can just replace most people with computers and automated combat drones while they keep a small number of personal servants to look after them. Currently most jobs either is there to support other humans or can be replaced by a computer, remove the need for humans and all of those jobs just disappear and leaders no longer care about having lots of people around.
omg_stoppit 4y ago
And as societies progress, they must either realize why basic necessities like Universal Basic Income exist, or just allow for large swathes of their population to die off.
ge96 4y ago
I wonder about this, if you had great/true automation, free energy from the sun, is there any need to do anything. As in value of money.
- Arcuru 4y ago
  If you want to look into it more, that situation is usually called a post-scarcity economy[1]. It's talked about and depicted in a few fictionalized places, including Star Trek. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-scarcity_economy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-scarcity_economy
  - blibble 4y ago
    in Star Trek: the Federation has unlimited energy and the ability to replicate most forms of matter but human(oid) intelligence is still scarce, and they don't have AGI (other than Data) there is however a society that has no need for humanoid intelligence, and that's the Dominion and I suspect that is what our society would turn into if AGI is invented (and not the Federation)
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  But who would own the automatons and power generators, and what would be their impetus to share their power? Unless the means of (energy) production moved out of the hands of the few it seems like it wouldn't make the rest of our lives any more idyllic.
  - ge96 4y ago
    Yeah it's true. When I donate/help I always feel this "mine". I believe in merit, you know, effort in effort out. It's nice to help people but there are also too many... and bad actors. So idk if it'll ever happen or just for select few anyway. I almost regret being at this phase of life where we are aware of what's possible but we most likely not see it in our lifetime. This AGI talk, colonization of space, etc... but can strive towards it/have fun trying in the meantime.

barrysteve 4y ago

Whatever you automate and is truly useful becomes the next hammer, circular saw or vice grips. The human experience which is being changed, is creating better tools for the next generation.