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Yup. and basically all apps (re)created suck big time. They're just iOS ports. You're forced to do litereally everything using your mouse, and for example the H

Yup. and basically all apps (re)created suck big time. They're just iOS ports. You're forced to do litereally everything using your mouse, and for example the Home app, it's basically useless if you want to organize/edit things. We're going to a CRUD operation world, where you have to do every edit one-by-one. And then in a few years, people will be amazed that you can save so much time because of a new "bulk editing" feature. Ahh such great times with Office in the 90s.

pjmlp 4y ago
Basically Apple pre-OS X.
yakubin 4y ago
I started using macOS with Big Sur (still on it) and I don't understand why Apple would remove the ability to select buttons in dialog windows with the keyboard. I've googled it and it seems you used to be able to do that on macOS, but when I follow the instructions on Big Sur, I can't move the selection from the button active by default to the other one (e.g. "Ok" vs "Cancel"). That means my right hand is making runs between keyboard and mouse all the time. Very unergonomic.
- grishka 4y ago
  The enter key activates the blue (default) button, the spacebar activates the one with the focus ring around it. You can move the focus ring with tab.
  - yakubin 4y ago
    Experiment: 1. Open TextEdit.app 2. Type some random characters. 3. Attempt to quit with Cmd+Q. 4. A dialog box shows up, prompting you to save the file. Hitting Tab just cycles between the "Save As" and "Tags" text fields. There is no way for me to select the "Delete" button with Tab. Challenge: quit TextEdit.app in that situation with they keyboard, without using the mouse, and without saving a file. That's a broader topic btw: Apple's apps often make the Tab button only cycle between text fields. In Safari when logging into Spotify I can't reach the "Remember me" checkbox with Tab. It only cycles between the login and password textfields and the URL bar. Luckily, other browsers don't have this flaw.
    - Shank 4y ago
      I believe this is possible if you turn on "Use keyboard navigation to move focus between controls" in System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts. I have no idea why this isn't on by default.
      - yakubin 4y ago
        That works, thanks! Although there is a weird bug that going forward with Tab cycles through everything and goes back to the first field, whereas going back with Shift+Tab stops at the first field.
      - ykhan6 4y ago
        Thanks for this. I thought I was losing my mind having to grab my mouse every time I tried to quit a text editor and not save.
    - cr__ 4y ago
      CMD-Delete almost always serves to press the Delete button or the equivalent in those dialogs. Not sure how you're supposed to find that out though!
      - yakubin 4y ago
        TIL. Thanks!
      - musicale 4y ago
        > CMD-Delete This^. It used to be command-D for "Delete/Don't Save" but at some point they changed it to command-delete; maybe someone thought it made more sense and was harder to type by accident? <Delete> command-delete (backspace, not forward delete) <Cancel> esc <Save/Default> return/enter I actually prefer command-D precisely because it is easier to type: on the home row and you can type it with your left hand while mousing with the right.
    - uranusjr 4y ago
      For “Delete” specifically you can also simply press ⌘backspace when the save dialog is activated to trigger the button. In some dialogs where the button is “Don’t Save” (i.e. autosave not active) the combo may be ⌘D
  - jcampbell1 4y ago
    Cmd+the first letter of the button works.
    - grishka 4y ago
      Doesn't work for me, probably because my system language is Russian. The button is "Удалить" but neither Cmd+D nor Cmd+У work, regardless of the current keyboard layout.
    - musicale 4y ago
      Does it work in TextEdit?
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- sixstringtheory 4y ago
  There’s an option in Keyboard settings > Shortcuts > “Use keyboard navigation to move focus…”. There are a couple security based dialogs it don’t work in but the majority of things it does work for me.
- bobbylarrybobby 4y ago
  As others have said "use keyboard for navigation" works, but also you can generally press any button with the shortcut cmd-first-letter-of-button-text. E.G., if the dialog is "delete" and "cancel" and cancel is the default, cmd-D should press "delete". "replace" and "cancel", cmd-R should press "replace". Etc
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pjmlp 4y ago

Basically Apple pre-OS X.

yakubin 4y ago

I started using macOS with Big Sur (still on it) and I don't understand why Apple would remove the ability to select buttons in dialog windows with the keyboard. I've googled it and it seems you used to be able to do that on macOS, but when I follow the instructions on Big Sur, I can't move the selection from the button active by default to the other one (e.g. "Ok" vs "Cancel"). That means my right hand is making runs between keyboard and mouse all the time. Very unergonomic.

grishka 4y ago
The enter key activates the blue (default) button, the spacebar activates the one with the focus ring around it. You can move the focus ring with tab.
- yakubin 4y ago
  Experiment: 1. Open TextEdit.app 2. Type some random characters. 3. Attempt to quit with Cmd+Q. 4. A dialog box shows up, prompting you to save the file. Hitting Tab just cycles between the "Save As" and "Tags" text fields. There is no way for me to select the "Delete" button with Tab. Challenge: quit TextEdit.app in that situation with they keyboard, without using the mouse, and without saving a file. That's a broader topic btw: Apple's apps often make the Tab button only cycle between text fields. In Safari when logging into Spotify I can't reach the "Remember me" checkbox with Tab. It only cycles between the login and password textfields and the URL bar. Luckily, other browsers don't have this flaw.
  - Shank 4y ago
    I believe this is possible if you turn on "Use keyboard navigation to move focus between controls" in System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts. I have no idea why this isn't on by default.
    - yakubin 4y ago
      That works, thanks! Although there is a weird bug that going forward with Tab cycles through everything and goes back to the first field, whereas going back with Shift+Tab stops at the first field.
    - ykhan6 4y ago
      Thanks for this. I thought I was losing my mind having to grab my mouse every time I tried to quit a text editor and not save.
  - cr__ 4y ago
    CMD-Delete almost always serves to press the Delete button or the equivalent in those dialogs. Not sure how you're supposed to find that out though!
    - yakubin 4y ago
      TIL. Thanks!
    - musicale 4y ago
      > CMD-Delete This^. It used to be command-D for "Delete/Don't Save" but at some point they changed it to command-delete; maybe someone thought it made more sense and was harder to type by accident? <Delete> command-delete (backspace, not forward delete) <Cancel> esc <Save/Default> return/enter I actually prefer command-D precisely because it is easier to type: on the home row and you can type it with your left hand while mousing with the right.
  - uranusjr 4y ago
    For “Delete” specifically you can also simply press ⌘backspace when the save dialog is activated to trigger the button. In some dialogs where the button is “Don’t Save” (i.e. autosave not active) the combo may be ⌘D
- jcampbell1 4y ago
  Cmd+the first letter of the button works.
  - grishka 4y ago
    Doesn't work for me, probably because my system language is Russian. The button is "Удалить" but neither Cmd+D nor Cmd+У work, regardless of the current keyboard layout.
  - musicale 4y ago
    Does it work in TextEdit?
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sixstringtheory 4y ago
There’s an option in Keyboard settings > Shortcuts > “Use keyboard navigation to move focus…”. There are a couple security based dialogs it don’t work in but the majority of things it does work for me.
bobbylarrybobby 4y ago
As others have said "use keyboard for navigation" works, but also you can generally press any button with the shortcut cmd-first-letter-of-button-text. E.G., if the dialog is "delete" and "cancel" and cancel is the default, cmd-D should press "delete". "replace" and "cancel", cmd-R should press "replace". Etc

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