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N had problems in US because they served data from CA. Today, N uses edge caching and the data for me in Europe is sent less than 10km to my home. And it should

N had problems in US because they served data from CA. Today, N uses edge caching and the data for me in Europe is sent less than 10km to my home. And it should be cheap. We are talking about serving static content here. It is not very difficult.

jedberg 4y ago
Why do you think Netflix served out of California? They only did that for the first few months, until they adopted Akamai, Limelight, and L3 CDNs. That was long before Netflix launched in Europe.
- AtNightWeCode 4y ago
  Well they use to, they tried to bully various ISPs into increasing their throughput before they jumped the edge cache wagon, long time after competitors. Akamai is a stellar company. Don’t think N uses A services today. At the end of the day. N mostly serves static content to users and I highly doubt that hardware costs is a very relevant parameter.
  - jedberg 4y ago
    With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about. I worked there during the transition from 3rd party CDNs to OpenConnect. We got off 3rd party CDNs in 2013/4 and operated solely out of OpenConnect, in large part because no 3rd party CDN was capable of serving our amount of video at any price, including Akamai. We weren't even streaming out of our own datacenter anymore by the time I started, and that was when streaming was still free with your DVD plan. And your timeline is all wrong too. Netflix didn't even engage with the ISPs about bandwidth until long after moving out of our own datacenter. We started the OpenConnect program specifically to make it easier for ISPs, there was no bullying. The spat you're thinking of is that Comcast didn't want to adopt the OpenConnect but also didn't want to appropriately peer with other networks to give their customers the advertised speeds. And hardware cost is a hugely relevant parameter. Being efficient with hardware is the difference between profitable streaming at that scale and not profitable.
    - AtNightWeCode 4y ago
      You mean all the heat maps provided by Comcast and so on from 2014(?) are incorrect? That they lied about all the traffic from CA caused by N?
      - jedberg 4y ago
        Please link those heat maps. I think you're reading them wrong.

jedberg 4y ago

Why do you think Netflix served out of California? They only did that for the first few months, until they adopted Akamai, Limelight, and L3 CDNs. That was long before Netflix launched in Europe.

AtNightWeCode 4y ago
Well they use to, they tried to bully various ISPs into increasing their throughput before they jumped the edge cache wagon, long time after competitors. Akamai is a stellar company. Don’t think N uses A services today. At the end of the day. N mostly serves static content to users and I highly doubt that hardware costs is a very relevant parameter.
- jedberg 4y ago
  With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about. I worked there during the transition from 3rd party CDNs to OpenConnect. We got off 3rd party CDNs in 2013/4 and operated solely out of OpenConnect, in large part because no 3rd party CDN was capable of serving our amount of video at any price, including Akamai. We weren't even streaming out of our own datacenter anymore by the time I started, and that was when streaming was still free with your DVD plan. And your timeline is all wrong too. Netflix didn't even engage with the ISPs about bandwidth until long after moving out of our own datacenter. We started the OpenConnect program specifically to make it easier for ISPs, there was no bullying. The spat you're thinking of is that Comcast didn't want to adopt the OpenConnect but also didn't want to appropriately peer with other networks to give their customers the advertised speeds. And hardware cost is a hugely relevant parameter. Being efficient with hardware is the difference between profitable streaming at that scale and not profitable.
  - AtNightWeCode 4y ago
    You mean all the heat maps provided by Comcast and so on from 2014(?) are incorrect? That they lied about all the traffic from CA caused by N?
    - jedberg 4y ago
      Please link those heat maps. I think you're reading them wrong.