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carbon tax applied across the spectrum has an outsized impact on the poor and working class despite a lower spend. an economic solution without considering clas

carbon tax applied across the spectrum has an outsized impact on the poor and working class despite a lower spend. an economic solution without considering class impact is risky

timbray 4y ago
Well yeah, but the onrushing climate catastrophe is going to selectively wreak havoc on the poor, and especially poor brown people nearer the equator.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  that’s why I’m in favor of systemic change that doesn’t bias against the global south or working class, you can have both and better avoid capitalist whitewashing techniques that mask yet another form of working class oppression
iso1631 4y ago
Depends where you put the revenue. Use it to fund a UBI, if the tax is set to raise $100b and everyone on earth gets $12.50, then that benefits the poor.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  sure but carbon tax advocates are not pushing UBI
jdlshore 4y ago
In Canada, it’s implemented as a carbon dividend, IIRC. The tax earnings are distributed to the entire population, so those who pollute less get more than they spent. Presumably that includes people who consume less because they’re poor.
helmholtz 4y ago
Could you give more context to why that is so? Couldn't it be adjusted the way something like income tax is?
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  Income tax also has an outsized impact on wage laborers
ZeroGravitas 4y ago
From your replies you seem to be genuine, but I think you've probably picked up this ides that carbon taxes hurt the poor from someone who wasn't genuine and didn't actually care about the poor or believe a carbon tax would be bad for them. I don't know where to start deprogramming you from this misinformation, but maybe just look into the actual discussions about the real carbon prices already in use im the world. Not the politics when one is proposed in the USA, but the boring implementation details in the countries that have used them for decades. A just transition and carbon pricing are in no way opposed. https://opendocs.ids.ac.uk/opendocs/bitstream/handle/20.500.12413/15336/799_Lessons_learned_from_carbon_pricing_in_developing_countries.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y https://opendocs.ids.ac.uk/opendocs/bitstream/handle/20.500.... That doc dives into the political, administrative and political complexities of real world implementations in developing nations.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  Thanks, I am still learning

carbon tax applied across the spectrum has an outsized impact on the poor and working class despite a lower spend. an economic solution without considering class impact is risky

timbray 4y ago

Well yeah, but the onrushing climate catastrophe is going to selectively wreak havoc on the poor, and especially poor brown people nearer the equator.

wahnfrieden 4y ago
that’s why I’m in favor of systemic change that doesn’t bias against the global south or working class, you can have both and better avoid capitalist whitewashing techniques that mask yet another form of working class oppression

iso1631 4y ago

Depends where you put the revenue. Use it to fund a UBI, if the tax is set to raise $100b and everyone on earth gets $12.50, then that benefits the poor.

wahnfrieden 4y ago
sure but carbon tax advocates are not pushing UBI

jdlshore 4y ago

In Canada, it’s implemented as a carbon dividend, IIRC. The tax earnings are distributed to the entire population, so those who pollute less get more than they spent. Presumably that includes people who consume less because they’re poor.

helmholtz 4y ago

Could you give more context to why that is so? Couldn't it be adjusted the way something like income tax is?

wahnfrieden 4y ago
Income tax also has an outsized impact on wage laborers

ZeroGravitas 4y ago

From your replies you seem to be genuine, but I think you've probably picked up this ides that carbon taxes hurt the poor from someone who wasn't genuine and didn't actually care about the poor or believe a carbon tax would be bad for them. I don't know where to start deprogramming you from this misinformation, but maybe just look into the actual discussions about the real carbon prices already in use im the world. Not the politics when one is proposed in the USA, but the boring implementation details in the countries that have used them for decades. A just transition and carbon pricing are in no way opposed. https://opendocs.ids.ac.uk/opendocs/bitstream/handle/20.500.12413/15336/799_Lessons_learned_from_carbon_pricing_in_developing_countries.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y https://opendocs.ids.ac.uk/opendocs/bitstream/handle/20.500.... That doc dives into the political, administrative and political complexities of real world implementations in developing nations.

wahnfrieden 4y ago
Thanks, I am still learning