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Probably not, but "something" needs to be done obviously. Maybe they can be reformed in place, but sometimes burn it down and start over is the right answer.

superkuh 4y ago
https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-countries-dismantled-their-police-to-start-fresh-it-workedup-to-a-point-11592040601 https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-countries-dismantled-their-... It would be logistically and all around easier to replace the corrupt FBI and it's culture than these two attempts by entire nations at replacing their corrupt police forces. It is needed. Not because of anything that's happened the last couple years, but because the FBI has been run and staffed by criminals for decades.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  I know why Trump fans want to get rid of the FBI, because then they have a much easier time bribing local officials than a larger bureaucratic organization. I have no doubt that corruption exists within the FBI but if anything we've seen corruption exist much more in smaller groups within law enforcement.
  - mythrwy 4y ago
    I don't necessarily want it "got rid of" but it does need massive reforming. This was true from it's earliest days when it was pulling dirty tricks on civil rights and anti war protestors. Thinking this kind of things is cool when it's used against your political opponents is incredibly short sighted.
    - acdha 4y ago
      Nobody is saying it’s cool - only that the timing is suspicious when all of the Trumpists abruptly pivoted to “defund the police” when their guys turned out not to be above the law. Most people who aren’t that partisan want the FBI to be fairer to everyone, not disbanded so they can’t prosecute corrupt Republicans.
    - encryptluks2 4y ago
      Everything needs massive reforming. Laws need massive reforming. The position of President of the US needs massive reforming. Let's not pretend the FBI is unique. I don't think it is cool cause they go after whoever. I'm apolitical for the most part. I'm just pointing out the obvious here. If you go to any popular alt-right channel they'll all be promoting getting rid of the FBI.
  - superkuh 4y ago
    Can we please not bring irrelevant modern "politics" into this? I explicitly set up my comment to avoid this non-issue. I am very much against the person you brought up for no reason. I am also very against the FBI because of what they did during Occupy and against other grassroots movements over the years. Things I have direct personal experience with the FBI being corrupt over.
    - encryptluks2 4y ago
      It isn't irrelevant. There are active efforts by right-wing politicians and talking heads to discredit the FBI. I think legitimate discourse is good and am happy to have it, but cherry picking things to simply push an agenda doesn't help.
      - superkuh 4y ago
        Honestly? I'll take it in a "broken clock is right twice a day" sort of way. I'm glad there's support for reforming the FBI from idiots as well as reasonable people now. The only downsides are the people that automatically take the opposite position of the idiots even when what the idiots are arguing for is correct (by accident).
    - Bud 4y ago
      You don't seem to grasp what "relevant" means, or what "non-issue" means. Trump's situation is, obviously, directly relevant, and it's most certainly an issue.
  - krapp 4y ago
    Trump fans want to get rid of the FBI because they served a warrant against Trump for violations of the Espionage Act and raided Mar-A-Lago. That's literally it. As long as the Feds were just cracking the heads of black protestors and snatching brown people up out of their beds, Trumpists were hard-core thin blue line. But the Feds dared disturb their oshi and now the same Trumpists have gone full #ACAB It's basic fascist ideology - loyalty to the leader above all, and belief that the leader is above the system.
    - defen 4y ago
      > As long as the Feds were just cracking the heads of black protestors and snatching brown people up out of their beds, Trumpists were hard-core thin blue line. The FBI are investigators, not traditional police; they aren't generally the ones people are talking about when they say "thin blue line". It wasn't the FBI cracking heads and "snatching brown people out of their beds." The phrase is a reaction to perceptions of widespread civic disorder and violent crime; it really has nothing to do with the FBI at all.
2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
What needs to be done? The FBI agent is facing 20 years in prison over this. The fact you can charge, put on trial, and convict an FBI agent speaks volumes.
- wrycoder 4y ago
  Well, let's see how much time he actually serves. I'm guessing zero.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
    > I'm guessing zero. Of course you do. Let's be outraged over them serving zero time before they are even sentenced.
  - Bud 4y ago
    Care to put your own money on the line behind that completely unsubstantiated guess?

superkuh 4y ago

https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-countries-dismantled-their-police-to-start-fresh-it-workedup-to-a-point-11592040601 https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-countries-dismantled-their-... It would be logistically and all around easier to replace the corrupt FBI and it's culture than these two attempts by entire nations at replacing their corrupt police forces. It is needed. Not because of anything that's happened the last couple years, but because the FBI has been run and staffed by criminals for decades.

encryptluks2 4y ago
I know why Trump fans want to get rid of the FBI, because then they have a much easier time bribing local officials than a larger bureaucratic organization. I have no doubt that corruption exists within the FBI but if anything we've seen corruption exist much more in smaller groups within law enforcement.
- mythrwy 4y ago
  I don't necessarily want it "got rid of" but it does need massive reforming. This was true from it's earliest days when it was pulling dirty tricks on civil rights and anti war protestors. Thinking this kind of things is cool when it's used against your political opponents is incredibly short sighted.
  - acdha 4y ago
    Nobody is saying it’s cool - only that the timing is suspicious when all of the Trumpists abruptly pivoted to “defund the police” when their guys turned out not to be above the law. Most people who aren’t that partisan want the FBI to be fairer to everyone, not disbanded so they can’t prosecute corrupt Republicans.
  - encryptluks2 4y ago
    Everything needs massive reforming. Laws need massive reforming. The position of President of the US needs massive reforming. Let's not pretend the FBI is unique. I don't think it is cool cause they go after whoever. I'm apolitical for the most part. I'm just pointing out the obvious here. If you go to any popular alt-right channel they'll all be promoting getting rid of the FBI.
- superkuh 4y ago
  Can we please not bring irrelevant modern "politics" into this? I explicitly set up my comment to avoid this non-issue. I am very much against the person you brought up for no reason. I am also very against the FBI because of what they did during Occupy and against other grassroots movements over the years. Things I have direct personal experience with the FBI being corrupt over.
  - encryptluks2 4y ago
    It isn't irrelevant. There are active efforts by right-wing politicians and talking heads to discredit the FBI. I think legitimate discourse is good and am happy to have it, but cherry picking things to simply push an agenda doesn't help.
    - superkuh 4y ago
      Honestly? I'll take it in a "broken clock is right twice a day" sort of way. I'm glad there's support for reforming the FBI from idiots as well as reasonable people now. The only downsides are the people that automatically take the opposite position of the idiots even when what the idiots are arguing for is correct (by accident).
  - Bud 4y ago
    You don't seem to grasp what "relevant" means, or what "non-issue" means. Trump's situation is, obviously, directly relevant, and it's most certainly an issue.
- krapp 4y ago
  Trump fans want to get rid of the FBI because they served a warrant against Trump for violations of the Espionage Act and raided Mar-A-Lago. That's literally it. As long as the Feds were just cracking the heads of black protestors and snatching brown people up out of their beds, Trumpists were hard-core thin blue line. But the Feds dared disturb their oshi and now the same Trumpists have gone full #ACAB It's basic fascist ideology - loyalty to the leader above all, and belief that the leader is above the system.
  - defen 4y ago
    > As long as the Feds were just cracking the heads of black protestors and snatching brown people up out of their beds, Trumpists were hard-core thin blue line. The FBI are investigators, not traditional police; they aren't generally the ones people are talking about when they say "thin blue line". It wasn't the FBI cracking heads and "snatching brown people out of their beds." The phrase is a reaction to perceptions of widespread civic disorder and violent crime; it really has nothing to do with the FBI at all.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago

What needs to be done? The FBI agent is facing 20 years in prison over this. The fact you can charge, put on trial, and convict an FBI agent speaks volumes.

wrycoder 4y ago
Well, let's see how much time he actually serves. I'm guessing zero.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
  > I'm guessing zero. Of course you do. Let's be outraged over them serving zero time before they are even sentenced.
- Bud 4y ago
  Care to put your own money on the line behind that completely unsubstantiated guess?