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Two seperate facts: 1. Apple did use their market power crush small companies. 2. Facebook does have an awful privacy history. So the question is, do you thin

Two seperate facts: 1. Apple did use their market power crush small companies. 2. Facebook does have an awful privacy history. So the question is, do you think improving Facebook's privacy must hurt small companies? Another example, Google is working very closely with UK's Competition and Markets Authority to make sure the plan of replacing third-party cookies won't punch other companies at their faces.

jen20 4y ago
> to make sure the plan of replacing third-party cookies won't punch other companies at their faces. Companies using third-party cookies deserve much more than a punch. They deserve corporate euthanasia.
llbeansandrice 4y ago
These are not separate facts. FB and Google have a global surveillance network to track people which is 1) awful for privacy and 2) makes it easier to serve niche ads to people. Apple is prioritizing user-privacy which necessarily means it is more difficult for advertisers to place their niche ads. You can frame it as "crush small companies" if you want. But that framing is just as valid as "Apple's narrative". Third-party cookies should have never been a thing. Google shouldn't get kudos for barely rolling back this privacy nightmare they created while Apple gets punished for being more pro-privacy and pro-user.
- vineyardmike 4y ago
  > Apple is prioritizing user-privacy which necessarily means it is more difficult for advertisers to place their niche ads. …while rolling out their own alternative, complete with user tracking.
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    But if apple's tracking is not sold to third parties, is secure, and people trust apple from a security standpoint, is it actually bad for individual privacy?
    - vineyardmike 4y ago
      1. Lots of ifs… 2. Facebook (the comparison here)/Google/etc don’t sell to third parties either. 3. Is tracking customers the issue, or is facebook tracking the issue. Most people seem to indicate they don’t support tracking writ large
- amf12 4y ago
  > FB and Google have a global surveillance network to track people > Apple is prioritizing user-privacy which necessarily means it is more difficult for advertisers to place their niche ads. Google provides the exact same privacy preferences on Android / Google ecosystem: the ability to enable/disable personalized ads, deviceId which is unique to the device, can be reset. The ability to delete your data automatically. It does not sell or share your data. I don't like personalized ads, but we can't hail Apple for being a champion of privacy when its basically doing the same things Google does.
- greendude29 4y ago
  > FB and Google have a global surveillance network to track people Please help me with this - what is Apple doing with its ad network that Google is not? "Privacy" is a marketing angle for Apple to monetize data - they do it in exactly the same way as Google. But why Google bad Apple good to you?
r00fus 4y ago
> 1. Apple did use their market power crush small companies. What small companies? The ones buying/selling my data without my consent? Yeah, they can take a long walk off a short pier. Also, TBH some FB and those "small companies" poor performance cannot be taken with a grain of salt - cheap cash is no longer there given the interest rate hikes and collapse of crypto - so maybe the performance has more in common with all those startups that lost runway this summer than Apple's rules.

jen20 4y ago

> to make sure the plan of replacing third-party cookies won't punch other companies at their faces. Companies using third-party cookies deserve much more than a punch. They deserve corporate euthanasia.

llbeansandrice 4y ago

These are not separate facts. FB and Google have a global surveillance network to track people which is 1) awful for privacy and 2) makes it easier to serve niche ads to people. Apple is prioritizing user-privacy which necessarily means it is more difficult for advertisers to place their niche ads. You can frame it as "crush small companies" if you want. But that framing is just as valid as "Apple's narrative". Third-party cookies should have never been a thing. Google shouldn't get kudos for barely rolling back this privacy nightmare they created while Apple gets punished for being more pro-privacy and pro-user.

vineyardmike 4y ago
> Apple is prioritizing user-privacy which necessarily means it is more difficult for advertisers to place their niche ads. …while rolling out their own alternative, complete with user tracking.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  But if apple's tracking is not sold to third parties, is secure, and people trust apple from a security standpoint, is it actually bad for individual privacy?
  - vineyardmike 4y ago
    1. Lots of ifs… 2. Facebook (the comparison here)/Google/etc don’t sell to third parties either. 3. Is tracking customers the issue, or is facebook tracking the issue. Most people seem to indicate they don’t support tracking writ large
amf12 4y ago
> FB and Google have a global surveillance network to track people > Apple is prioritizing user-privacy which necessarily means it is more difficult for advertisers to place their niche ads. Google provides the exact same privacy preferences on Android / Google ecosystem: the ability to enable/disable personalized ads, deviceId which is unique to the device, can be reset. The ability to delete your data automatically. It does not sell or share your data. I don't like personalized ads, but we can't hail Apple for being a champion of privacy when its basically doing the same things Google does.
greendude29 4y ago
> FB and Google have a global surveillance network to track people Please help me with this - what is Apple doing with its ad network that Google is not? "Privacy" is a marketing angle for Apple to monetize data - they do it in exactly the same way as Google. But why Google bad Apple good to you?

r00fus 4y ago

> 1. Apple did use their market power crush small companies. What small companies? The ones buying/selling my data without my consent? Yeah, they can take a long walk off a short pier. Also, TBH some FB and those "small companies" poor performance cannot be taken with a grain of salt - cheap cash is no longer there given the interest rate hikes and collapse of crypto - so maybe the performance has more in common with all those startups that lost runway this summer than Apple's rules.