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OTOH 8GB RAM is Apple's own self-inflicted limitation. Why should the other CPU be given artificially less RAM only because Apple chose a design that limits how
by pornel 4y ago
OTOH 8GB RAM is Apple's own self-inflicted limitation. Why should the other CPU be given artificially less RAM only because Apple chose a design that limits how much RAM their chip can use?
- yakubin 4y agoM2 is not limited to 8GB. 8GB is only the base Macbook Air M2 model. You can buy one with 16 or 24GB. Most people who buy 8GB Macs these days complain about performance, while people with 16GB praise it.
- hef19898 4y agoAnd there I am with a Lenovo sporting 64 GB of RAM...
- yakubin 4y agoI haven't written my comment in the spirit of entering a competition of who can get more RAM, but in the spirit that the Phoronix benchmark compares completely different computers, one with 8GB, the other with 16GB of RAM and gives a title suggesting that it's a comparison between chips, when the chip with 8GB isn't limited to 8GB. They could have gone for the 16GB option and made the comparison more honest. The chip doesn't have any such limitation.
- viraptor 4y agoThe apps they use for comparison are limited by the CPU performance not memory size, so 8/16 shouldn't matter here. Unless you can point at something that's likely losing due to swapping?
- Tuna-Fish 4y agoThat is, however, an artifact of how Apple is pricing the models. The price difference between 8GB and 16GB is $200. This is absurd -- there's no way the added cost in ram is more than $50 for them and due to their market position and massive volume, it's probably quite a bit below that.
- yakubin 4y agoThinkPad X13 Gen 3 starts at $1919. Macbook Air M2 with 8GB RAM is $1199. Macbook Air M2 with 16GB RAM is $1,399. So even at 16GB it's still a lot cheaper than the Lenovo laptop used. Price doesn't explain the disparity in the hardware used in the benchmarks.
- Macha 4y agoThe consumer edition of the same laptop is $1200 https://www.newegg.com/p/1TS-000E-10RU3 https://www.newegg.com/p/1TS-000E-10RU3 (the 6800u ~= 6850u unless you're deploying them en masse in the enterprise, in which case there's extra management features in the Ryzen pro that the Mac doesn't have)
- paulmd 4y agoSo, you're comparing a lower build quality on the Lenovo side against the Apple? Yeah, of course if you start cutting costs out of other places, the price comes down, that's not a particularly interesting or insightful point, you've just loaded the comparison.
- Macha 4y agoLooks like they don't have pictures of the current consumer model yet, but looking at last gen: https://p4-ofp.static.pub/fes/cms/2022/04/20/j7rnbsqww5svxashujctg5l8r3ian9429723.jpg https://p4-ofp.static.pub/fes/cms/2022/04/20/j7rnbsqww5svxas... https://p2-ofp.static.pub/fes/cms/2022/03/17/14ph1afu8vmtli8oq7b9egp56atw09228183.png https://p2-ofp.static.pub/fes/cms/2022/03/17/14ph1afu8vmtli8... The better build quality amounts to black paint, a trackball, and clicky buttons on the trackpad.
- yakubin 4y agoAlso seems to be 16:10 instead of 16:9, and have a different set of ports. Honestly I don't see what those two laptops have in common beyond both being Lenovo.
- weberer 4y agoIt feels weird that 8GB is the entry level for a $1000+ ultrabook in 2022. I remember 4GB being standard 10 years ago. That whole "doubling every two years" thing really tapered off.
- jakogut 4y agoMy Zenbook UX305FA from 2015 with a dual-core passively cooled Broadwell Core-M processor had 8 GB of memory, and I think it was $799.