It's certainly there, but it comes in different avenues: tech lead meetings (where is our technical debt?), early in projects (as everyone is building a consens

It's certainly there, but it comes in different avenues: tech lead meetings (where is our technical debt?), early in projects (as everyone is building a consensus for the project), and code reviews (where they're talking about a facet to make code more understandable or testable or otherwise fulfilling non-functional requirements.) The conversations aren't about code quality -- they're about a finer point of it and in concrete terms rather than in beginner terms.