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Simply, that you can’t compare laptops solely on a cost basis easily. Does the Ryzen system come with a full aluminum enclosure? Does it come with a screen wi

Simply, that you can’t compare laptops solely on a cost basis easily. Does the Ryzen system come with a full aluminum enclosure? Does it come with a screen with P3 color, 400 nits peak brightness, and HDR support? What is the battery size on both machines, and how long do each last? How thin is it? How light it it? How fast does it charge? How much does this affect you daily? If it was only about CPU performance, I could grab the cheapest Clevo with a Core i9 and it would beat every other manufacturer in the “bang-buck” spec as you are defining it, but it would be an awful experience.

jacooper 4y ago
> Simply, that you can’t compare laptops solely on a cost basis easily. Yes, people might be searching for the best performance, and cost comparison here is fair. > If it was only about CPU performance, I could grab the cheapest Clevo with a Core i9 and it would beat every other manufacturer in the “bang-buck” spec as you are defining it, but it would be an awful experience. Evey user has his/her requirements and things he/she is okay to comprmise on.
lelanthran 4y ago
> Simply, that you can’t compare laptops solely on a cost basis easily. But they aren't doing that!* They're specifically comparing performance between two similarly-priced laptops[1]. That's what "benchmark" means. If this was a review between the two laptops I'd agree with you, but it isn't a review, it's a benchmark suite. > Does the Ryzen system come with a full aluminum enclosure? > Does it come with a screen with P3 color, 400 nits peak brightness, and HDR support? > What is the battery size on both machines, and how long do each last? > How thin is it? How light it it? How fast does it charge? How much does this affect you daily? All of these are valid questions, just not for a benchmark. The benchmark is one set of inputs a potential purchaser would take into account, with the other inputs being all those things you mentioned. [1] I assume that they're similarly priced - I skipped the introduction and went straight to the benchmarks.
- kube-system 4y ago
  > But they aren't doing that!* The person they replied to was
- nash 4y ago
  They aren't similarly priced though. It seems the Lenovo config is above $2000 according to https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/thinkpad-x13-gen-3-(13-inch-amd)/len101t0021 https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/th...
  - JAlexoid 4y ago
    Considering that I cannot purchase it, I don't know the actual end price. Lenovo's prices aren't Apple's, this laptop may be sold for similar as Mac.
lazyier 4y ago
> Does the Ryzen system come with a full aluminum enclosure? If you really want one you can get one. But if you are buying a laptop on the basis of how shiny it is does the CPU performance really matter? When I bought a car for my wife she picked it out on the basis of how cute it is. She isn't going to run around being upset that it doesn't have 0-60 time of a Subaru WRX. To her the Subaru is ugly.
- cruano 4y ago
  Have you ever dropped a plastic laptop ? if you think the aluminium enclosure it's just pretty then I don't know what to tell you
  - JAlexoid 4y ago
    I've dropped my MBP. And I dropped my ThinkPads. There's a reason why I still buy ThinkPads - because aluminum is still heavier than magnesium and carbon fiber... and it isn't indestructible.
JAlexoid 4y ago
You are aware that that full aluminum enclosure is not a universally great this, right? I have literally two laptops in front of me - ThinkPad made with carbon fiber and MacBook Pro 2021. Aluminum laptop is heavier, clunkier and less pleasant to work with

jacooper 4y ago

> Simply, that you can’t compare laptops solely on a cost basis easily. Yes, people might be searching for the best performance, and cost comparison here is fair. > If it was only about CPU performance, I could grab the cheapest Clevo with a Core i9 and it would beat every other manufacturer in the “bang-buck” spec as you are defining it, but it would be an awful experience. Evey user has his/her requirements and things he/she is okay to comprmise on.

lelanthran 4y ago

> Simply, that you can’t compare laptops solely on a cost basis easily. But they aren't doing that!* They're specifically comparing performance between two similarly-priced laptops[1]. That's what "benchmark" means. If this was a review between the two laptops I'd agree with you, but it isn't a review, it's a benchmark suite. > Does the Ryzen system come with a full aluminum enclosure? > Does it come with a screen with P3 color, 400 nits peak brightness, and HDR support? > What is the battery size on both machines, and how long do each last? > How thin is it? How light it it? How fast does it charge? How much does this affect you daily? All of these are valid questions, just not for a benchmark. The benchmark is one set of inputs a potential purchaser would take into account, with the other inputs being all those things you mentioned. [1] I assume that they're similarly priced - I skipped the introduction and went straight to the benchmarks.

kube-system 4y ago
> But they aren't doing that!* The person they replied to was
nash 4y ago
They aren't similarly priced though. It seems the Lenovo config is above $2000 according to https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/thinkpad-x13-gen-3-(13-inch-amd)/len101t0021 https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/th...
- JAlexoid 4y ago
  Considering that I cannot purchase it, I don't know the actual end price. Lenovo's prices aren't Apple's, this laptop may be sold for similar as Mac.

lazyier 4y ago

> Does the Ryzen system come with a full aluminum enclosure? If you really want one you can get one. But if you are buying a laptop on the basis of how shiny it is does the CPU performance really matter? When I bought a car for my wife she picked it out on the basis of how cute it is. She isn't going to run around being upset that it doesn't have 0-60 time of a Subaru WRX. To her the Subaru is ugly.

cruano 4y ago
Have you ever dropped a plastic laptop ? if you think the aluminium enclosure it's just pretty then I don't know what to tell you
- JAlexoid 4y ago
  I've dropped my MBP. And I dropped my ThinkPads. There's a reason why I still buy ThinkPads - because aluminum is still heavier than magnesium and carbon fiber... and it isn't indestructible.

JAlexoid 4y ago

You are aware that that full aluminum enclosure is not a universally great this, right? I have literally two laptops in front of me - ThinkPad made with carbon fiber and MacBook Pro 2021. Aluminum laptop is heavier, clunkier and less pleasant to work with