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> But are they priced similarly? Meaningless question when they don't sell the M2 chip separately > Hmm .. Doesn't "for both" negate the argument I guess "fo

by cruano 4y ago

> But are they priced similarly? Meaningless question when they don't sell the M2 chip separately > Hmm .. Doesn't "for both" negate the argument I guess "for each" would be better ? But OPs point still stands, if you put me on a race car you are not breaking any records no matter how good the car is

foepys 4y ago
It's very meaningful when you want the best bang for the buck.
- 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
  It’s still pretty silly because the price is the easiest thing to compare. Just show the prices of 2 systems as closely specced as possible and list power, thermal envelop blah blah. As it is, this doesn’t change my mind about if I’m making the right trade offs by getting the M2
threeseed 4y ago
Apple sells a M2 MacBook Pro which has better performance. So it's not a meaningless question at all.
lelanthran 4y ago
>> But are they priced similarly? > Meaningless question when they don't sell the M2 chip separately What does that have to do with the question "Does this X-dollar laptop outperform that X-dollar laptop?"
- gjsman-1000 4y ago
  Simply, that you can’t compare laptops solely on a cost basis easily. Does the Ryzen system come with a full aluminum enclosure? Does it come with a screen with P3 color, 400 nits peak brightness, and HDR support? What is the battery size on both machines, and how long do each last? How thin is it? How light it it? How fast does it charge? How much does this affect you daily? If it was only about CPU performance, I could grab the cheapest Clevo with a Core i9 and it would beat every other manufacturer in the “bang-buck” spec as you are defining it, but it would be an awful experience.
  - jacooper 4y ago
    > Simply, that you can’t compare laptops solely on a cost basis easily. Yes, people might be searching for the best performance, and cost comparison here is fair. > If it was only about CPU performance, I could grab the cheapest Clevo with a Core i9 and it would beat every other manufacturer in the “bang-buck” spec as you are defining it, but it would be an awful experience. Evey user has his/her requirements and things he/she is okay to comprmise on.
  - lelanthran 4y ago
    > Simply, that you can’t compare laptops solely on a cost basis easily. But they aren't doing that!* They're specifically comparing performance between two similarly-priced laptops[1]. That's what "benchmark" means. If this was a review between the two laptops I'd agree with you, but it isn't a review, it's a benchmark suite. > Does the Ryzen system come with a full aluminum enclosure? > Does it come with a screen with P3 color, 400 nits peak brightness, and HDR support? > What is the battery size on both machines, and how long do each last? > How thin is it? How light it it? How fast does it charge? How much does this affect you daily? All of these are valid questions, just not for a benchmark. The benchmark is one set of inputs a potential purchaser would take into account, with the other inputs being all those things you mentioned. [1] I assume that they're similarly priced - I skipped the introduction and went straight to the benchmarks.
    - kube-system 4y ago
      > But they aren't doing that!* The person they replied to was
    - nash 4y ago
      They aren't similarly priced though. It seems the Lenovo config is above $2000 according to https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/thinkpad-x13-gen-3-(13-inch-amd)/len101t0021 https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/th...
      - JAlexoid 4y ago
gsnedders 4y ago
> Meaningless question when they don't sell the M2 chip separately AFAIK the 6850U also isn't sold separately.

by cruano 4y ago

foepys 4y ago

It's very meaningful when you want the best bang for the buck.

2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
It’s still pretty silly because the price is the easiest thing to compare. Just show the prices of 2 systems as closely specced as possible and list power, thermal envelop blah blah. As it is, this doesn’t change my mind about if I’m making the right trade offs by getting the M2

threeseed 4y ago

Apple sells a M2 MacBook Pro which has better performance. So it's not a meaningless question at all.

lelanthran 4y ago

>> But are they priced similarly? > Meaningless question when they don't sell the M2 chip separately What does that have to do with the question "Does this X-dollar laptop outperform that X-dollar laptop?"

gjsman-1000 4y ago
Simply, that you can’t compare laptops solely on a cost basis easily. Does the Ryzen system come with a full aluminum enclosure? Does it come with a screen with P3 color, 400 nits peak brightness, and HDR support? What is the battery size on both machines, and how long do each last? How thin is it? How light it it? How fast does it charge? How much does this affect you daily? If it was only about CPU performance, I could grab the cheapest Clevo with a Core i9 and it would beat every other manufacturer in the “bang-buck” spec as you are defining it, but it would be an awful experience.
- jacooper 4y ago
  > Simply, that you can’t compare laptops solely on a cost basis easily. Yes, people might be searching for the best performance, and cost comparison here is fair. > If it was only about CPU performance, I could grab the cheapest Clevo with a Core i9 and it would beat every other manufacturer in the “bang-buck” spec as you are defining it, but it would be an awful experience. Evey user has his/her requirements and things he/she is okay to comprmise on.
- lelanthran 4y ago
  > Simply, that you can’t compare laptops solely on a cost basis easily. But they aren't doing that!* They're specifically comparing performance between two similarly-priced laptops[1]. That's what "benchmark" means. If this was a review between the two laptops I'd agree with you, but it isn't a review, it's a benchmark suite. > Does the Ryzen system come with a full aluminum enclosure? > Does it come with a screen with P3 color, 400 nits peak brightness, and HDR support? > What is the battery size on both machines, and how long do each last? > How thin is it? How light it it? How fast does it charge? How much does this affect you daily? All of these are valid questions, just not for a benchmark. The benchmark is one set of inputs a potential purchaser would take into account, with the other inputs being all those things you mentioned. [1] I assume that they're similarly priced - I skipped the introduction and went straight to the benchmarks.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    > But they aren't doing that!* The person they replied to was
  - nash 4y ago
    They aren't similarly priced though. It seems the Lenovo config is above $2000 according to https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/thinkpad-x13-gen-3-(13-inch-amd)/len101t0021 https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/th...
    - JAlexoid 4y ago

gsnedders 4y ago

> Meaningless question when they don't sell the M2 chip separately AFAIK the 6850U also isn't sold separately.