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>Here you did sweeping personal attacks on Perl programmers Again, you're projecting. I said "perl fanboys on this site". That's much less broad but you seem

by danssig 15y ago

>Here you did sweeping personal attacks on Perl programmers Again, you're projecting. I said "perl fanboys on this site". That's much less broad but you seem to not realize there is anything else? >start writing personal attacks there Why do you take fair critiques of the language as personal attacks? I think you need to read pg's essay about ID again. >Get a life or start writing code for a hobby. Again with the personal attacks. I have a life and I code for a hobby. That doesn't stop me from correcting fan boys who spread misinformation or distortions of the truth.

berntb 15y ago
>>Why do you take fair critiques of the language as personal attacks? Serious criticism like your "With things like this I would like to advocate that Perl be treated as politics" -- over a few down votes?! That is fair and balanced criticism, not trolling at all..?! Thanks for a good laugh at your chutzpah. Go away. >>I said "perl fanboys on this site" Not in this discussion or in the comment I linked to. You said: perl fans get seriously emotional about perl and start downvoting things they disagree with (much more so than ordinarily happens). That is a personal attack, without any data, on Perl fans in general. So you flat out lie about what you write, troll.
- danssig 15y ago
  >over a few down votes?! That was an observation of mine. Perl fanboys are generally not capable of having a dispassionate discussion about perl's faults. >That is a personal attack, without any data, on Perl fans in general. Fan = Fanboy. It is a programming language. Being a "fan" of a tool is irrational. One should use the tool that works best (for some definition of best) and when that tool is no longer the best one should switch. Being a "fan" means to follow something even when it's not the best (e.g. Dallas Cowboys fan, even when they hadn't won a game in years). This is an utterly irrational stance for a tool. By the way, the person who has been issuing the personal attacks here is you with your "go away" and troll accusations. I hope in time you can learn to be more civil in your discussions.
  - berntb 15y ago
    I got slammed by pg himself a while ago for being easily trolled, so I'll stop commenting.
    - danssig 15y ago
      Link? I'd say your ID is too big (pg has an essay on it). If you say Lisp is crap, I'm not going to be offended even though I think it's a great language. It's something I use, it isn't part of who I am.
      - berntb 15y ago
        http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2836920 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2836920 (Why the Hell am I proving things to trolls? :-( ) Edit: And btw, I even irritated pg by arguing with a troll that was arguing quite similar things as danssig, too... :-)
        danssig 15y ago
        Thanks for providing the link. Having seen it, I can't help but say: lol! You took that one sentance to mean pg was upset that you were arguing with trolls? It looks to me like he thought you were trolling! All kinds of other people were still talking to the person you accuse of being a troll but only you got singled out and asked to stop. None of them and not even the alleged troll. And again it was about perl. I think you seriously need to ask yourself why you're so incredibly sensitive about this subject. No one is criticizing you nor your family. Just a tool that has no feelings or emotions.
        berntb 15y ago
        >>All kinds of other people were still talking to the person you accuse of being a troll You are a liar. Here is his account. It is at Karma -10 and it wasn't used after that troll session. http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=derrickpetzold http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=derrickpetzold He was posting slams of about your level. ("in other words run the f away from Perl if you can unless you are into S&M"). And so on. >>And again it was about perl. It is something I use a lot, even for fun. You don't like Perl (not "perl") and write 10-20% of comments in discussions about it. So you're just bullshitting here, as trolls do. And you got another comment out of me... :-(

by danssig 15y ago

berntb 15y ago

>>Why do you take fair critiques of the language as personal attacks? Serious criticism like your "With things like this I would like to advocate that Perl be treated as politics" -- over a few down votes?! That is fair and balanced criticism, not trolling at all..?! Thanks for a good laugh at your chutzpah. Go away. >>I said "perl fanboys on this site" Not in this discussion or in the comment I linked to. You said: perl fans get seriously emotional about perl and start downvoting things they disagree with (much more so than ordinarily happens). That is a personal attack, without any data, on Perl fans in general. So you flat out lie about what you write, troll.

danssig 15y ago
>over a few down votes?! That was an observation of mine. Perl fanboys are generally not capable of having a dispassionate discussion about perl's faults. >That is a personal attack, without any data, on Perl fans in general. Fan = Fanboy. It is a programming language. Being a "fan" of a tool is irrational. One should use the tool that works best (for some definition of best) and when that tool is no longer the best one should switch. Being a "fan" means to follow something even when it's not the best (e.g. Dallas Cowboys fan, even when they hadn't won a game in years). This is an utterly irrational stance for a tool. By the way, the person who has been issuing the personal attacks here is you with your "go away" and troll accusations. I hope in time you can learn to be more civil in your discussions.
- berntb 15y ago
  I got slammed by pg himself a while ago for being easily trolled, so I'll stop commenting.
  - danssig 15y ago
    Link? I'd say your ID is too big (pg has an essay on it). If you say Lisp is crap, I'm not going to be offended even though I think it's a great language. It's something I use, it isn't part of who I am.
    - berntb 15y ago
      http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2836920 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2836920 (Why the Hell am I proving things to trolls? :-( ) Edit: And btw, I even irritated pg by arguing with a troll that was arguing quite similar things as danssig, too... :-)
      - danssig 15y ago
        Thanks for providing the link. Having seen it, I can't help but say: lol! You took that one sentance to mean pg was upset that you were arguing with trolls? It looks to me like he thought you were trolling! All kinds of other people were still talking to the person you accuse of being a troll but only you got singled out and asked to stop. None of them and not even the alleged troll. And again it was about perl. I think you seriously need to ask yourself why you're so incredibly sensitive about this subject. No one is criticizing you nor your family. Just a tool that has no feelings or emotions.
        berntb 15y ago
        >>All kinds of other people were still talking to the person you accuse of being a troll You are a liar. Here is his account. It is at Karma -10 and it wasn't used after that troll session. http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=derrickpetzold http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=derrickpetzold He was posting slams of about your level. ("in other words run the f away from Perl if you can unless you are into S&M"). And so on. >>And again it was about perl. It is something I use a lot, even for fun. You don't like Perl (not "perl") and write 10-20% of comments in discussions about it. So you're just bullshitting here, as trolls do. And you got another comment out of me... :-(