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This NYT article elaborates on the "legal woes." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/technology/dan-price-resign-social-media.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/

by jfim 4y ago

This NYT article elaborates on the "legal woes." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/technology/dan-price-resign-social-media.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/technology/dan-price-resi...

dwaltrip 4y ago
Tl;DR He appears to have a track record of abusing women.
- pvaldes 4y ago
  - nl 4y ago
    - ctrlmeta 4y ago
      Can we stop with this unfounded speculation please? These are real human beings we are talking about with serious allegations. Let the court follow its due process and come to a decision. The jury is still out there. Innocent until proven guilty. All this armchair criticism and judgement on HN is turning out to be a very poor reading experience.
      - watwut 4y ago
        Claiming she is accusing him for "for sweet money" is as much unfounded accusation as the response to it. Actually even more if you look at the actual content of what posters wrote. While the response you reacted to contained mild claim, the original one was flat out vilification and direct accusation. Why is it that the former one is acceptable, but people who respond to it have to tip toes around?
        deleted 4y ago
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        ctrlmeta 4y ago
        I agree with you. I did not mean that the former comment is acceptable. Both comments are not unacceptable. I chose the lower comment to reply to. That might have given that impression. But I find speculation for either sides to be problems. Nobody should have to tip toe around. A good response to the speculation in upper comment could have been to point out that it is speculation and unfounded, not make more speculations!
        nl 4y ago
        What part of my comment was speculation? I pointed out facts in the story.
    - saiya-jin 4y ago
      Maybe possibly yes may very well be maybe possibly no, so basically we know 0 and should act accordingly by having our mouths shut about this till things are more clear. Its way too easy to completely destroy a person these days for many different reasons, lets not add ourselves to mindless clueless outraged crowds.
  - kyleamazza 4y ago
    At the same time, I wouldn't callously discard that these women are simply making up stuff because they're "gold digging". "Innocent before proven guilty" is an important concept, but, I wouldn't pin the women as guilty of lying either
  - sh4rks 4y ago
  - jwarren 4y ago
    "stole a kiss" wtf is this minimising bullshit? According to the article, he forced himself on someone, grabbing them by the throat. They feared for their life. According to the article, he also literally had sex with his partner while she was under the influence, without her consent. Please don't minimise victims trauma.
  - keerthiko 4y ago
    Be careful about crossing the line from "innocent until proven guilty" over into "victim-blaming" territory. It takes an insane amount of courage to come forth publicly with the kinds of accusations these women are bringing, and a history of men victim blaming women is why so many abusers roam our midst with impunity. When I hear these kinds of accounts, I typically have more reasons to distrust the accused abuser who is usually the person wielding more power in the whole system.
    - yieldcrv 4y ago
      victim blaming requires someone choosing to do something that creates a victim as you can see, this is at odds with the prior posters observation and puts you both at an impasse I can empathize with the limitations of evidence and the limitations of the law as a reflection of the culture that alone doesn’t help me pick a side based on any “lived experience” or power dynamic But for anyone reading this: don’t put your hands on people necks just because of the lack of evidence or consequences. Its very abusive to target people that made a permanent digital message of flirting with you, or targeting people that you know made a white lie sometime in their life that you can use against them if they ever go to the police about something else, society relies on the mutual cooperation of everyone at all times
  - caractacus 4y ago
    Gosh you make it sound like a schoolyard flirtation. "Stole a kiss". She was trapped in his car and he grabbed her by the throat. He grabbed another woman by the throat and didn't let go. He raped a woman. There is a pattern of behaviour here that is profoundly disturbing. Victims are often frightened enough to not come forward. The kind of trial by social media in which you're now engaged is all part of that. Why allege anything when you'll be accused of making it up, being a slut, having your life history raked through by trolls online... "Hunted by his money" ffs. "Without more data". Have some empathy. Also note that he is NOT "being sued for sweet money" but criminally charged by a prosecutor. They don't do that unless they have strong evidence and there's no compensation to victims in a criminal trial.
    - pvaldes 4y ago
      Totally different situation then
    - Dracophoenix 4y ago
      > The kind of trial by social media in which you're now engaged is all part of that. Why allege anything when you'll be accused of making it up, being a slut, having your life history raked through by trolls online... The accused can also have their lives raked through and ruined simply for being accused. There is something to gain (e.g. financial and moral support, feeling as though one were on the "right" side of history, etc.) from being a professional victim, and doubly so on social media. Whether that applies here remains to be seen. > "Hunted by his money" ffs. "Without more data". Have some empathy. Empathy: The ability to identify with or understand another's situation or feelings Waiting for data and considering the potential motivations involved are empathetic actions. It may be simplistic to make such claims, but there is no lack of empathy to consider that these situations can occur and have occurred to other people and that they might be applicable here. At the end of the day, no one here was present when the alleged events occurred. We're all relying on news reports and hearsay. > Also note that he is NOT "being sued for sweet money" but criminally charged by a prosecutor. They don't do that unless they have strong evidence and there's no compensation to victims in a criminal trial. Any evidence obtained in a criminal trial can be used in a civil trial with a lower burden of proof, even if one is acquitted in the former. Additionally, prosecutors have issued charges on exaggerated, or even fraudulent evidence before. The Innocence Project is a testament the consequences of zealousness and lack of impartiality that occurs in courts across the country. In what is likely a to be a he said/she said scenario, one should wait to examine how damning the evidence and testimony actually is so as not to come to a premature conclusion.
  - jmeister 4y ago
syspec 4y ago
Wow that's a hell of an article! It just got crazier and crazier
synu 4y ago
https://archive.ph/ndp3N https://archive.ph/ndp3N for those without a subscription.
ripper1138 4y ago
> “He said it is so hard being him in the world because of his intelligence,” she later recalled.
lexapro 4y ago
>After Ms. Margis liked one of his Instagram posts in 2020, Mr. Price, who was 35, messaged her: “Happy Valentine’s Day beautiful!” This already is a huge red flag in my opinion.

by jfim 4y ago

This NYT article elaborates on the "legal woes." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/technology/dan-price-resign-social-media.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/technology/dan-price-resi...

dwaltrip 4y ago

Tl;DR He appears to have a track record of abusing women.

pvaldes 4y ago
- nl 4y ago
  - ctrlmeta 4y ago
    Can we stop with this unfounded speculation please? These are real human beings we are talking about with serious allegations. Let the court follow its due process and come to a decision. The jury is still out there. Innocent until proven guilty. All this armchair criticism and judgement on HN is turning out to be a very poor reading experience.
    - watwut 4y ago
      Claiming she is accusing him for "for sweet money" is as much unfounded accusation as the response to it. Actually even more if you look at the actual content of what posters wrote. While the response you reacted to contained mild claim, the original one was flat out vilification and direct accusation. Why is it that the former one is acceptable, but people who respond to it have to tip toes around?
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
      - ctrlmeta 4y ago
        I agree with you. I did not mean that the former comment is acceptable. Both comments are not unacceptable. I chose the lower comment to reply to. That might have given that impression. But I find speculation for either sides to be problems. Nobody should have to tip toe around. A good response to the speculation in upper comment could have been to point out that it is speculation and unfounded, not make more speculations!
        nl 4y ago
        What part of my comment was speculation? I pointed out facts in the story.
  - saiya-jin 4y ago
    Maybe possibly yes may very well be maybe possibly no, so basically we know 0 and should act accordingly by having our mouths shut about this till things are more clear. Its way too easy to completely destroy a person these days for many different reasons, lets not add ourselves to mindless clueless outraged crowds.
- kyleamazza 4y ago
  At the same time, I wouldn't callously discard that these women are simply making up stuff because they're "gold digging". "Innocent before proven guilty" is an important concept, but, I wouldn't pin the women as guilty of lying either
- sh4rks 4y ago
- jwarren 4y ago
  "stole a kiss" wtf is this minimising bullshit? According to the article, he forced himself on someone, grabbing them by the throat. They feared for their life. According to the article, he also literally had sex with his partner while she was under the influence, without her consent. Please don't minimise victims trauma.
- keerthiko 4y ago
  Be careful about crossing the line from "innocent until proven guilty" over into "victim-blaming" territory. It takes an insane amount of courage to come forth publicly with the kinds of accusations these women are bringing, and a history of men victim blaming women is why so many abusers roam our midst with impunity. When I hear these kinds of accounts, I typically have more reasons to distrust the accused abuser who is usually the person wielding more power in the whole system.
  - yieldcrv 4y ago
    victim blaming requires someone choosing to do something that creates a victim as you can see, this is at odds with the prior posters observation and puts you both at an impasse I can empathize with the limitations of evidence and the limitations of the law as a reflection of the culture that alone doesn’t help me pick a side based on any “lived experience” or power dynamic But for anyone reading this: don’t put your hands on people necks just because of the lack of evidence or consequences. Its very abusive to target people that made a permanent digital message of flirting with you, or targeting people that you know made a white lie sometime in their life that you can use against them if they ever go to the police about something else, society relies on the mutual cooperation of everyone at all times
- caractacus 4y ago
  Gosh you make it sound like a schoolyard flirtation. "Stole a kiss". She was trapped in his car and he grabbed her by the throat. He grabbed another woman by the throat and didn't let go. He raped a woman. There is a pattern of behaviour here that is profoundly disturbing. Victims are often frightened enough to not come forward. The kind of trial by social media in which you're now engaged is all part of that. Why allege anything when you'll be accused of making it up, being a slut, having your life history raked through by trolls online... "Hunted by his money" ffs. "Without more data". Have some empathy. Also note that he is NOT "being sued for sweet money" but criminally charged by a prosecutor. They don't do that unless they have strong evidence and there's no compensation to victims in a criminal trial.
  - pvaldes 4y ago
    Totally different situation then
  - Dracophoenix 4y ago
    > The kind of trial by social media in which you're now engaged is all part of that. Why allege anything when you'll be accused of making it up, being a slut, having your life history raked through by trolls online... The accused can also have their lives raked through and ruined simply for being accused. There is something to gain (e.g. financial and moral support, feeling as though one were on the "right" side of history, etc.) from being a professional victim, and doubly so on social media. Whether that applies here remains to be seen. > "Hunted by his money" ffs. "Without more data". Have some empathy. Empathy: The ability to identify with or understand another's situation or feelings Waiting for data and considering the potential motivations involved are empathetic actions. It may be simplistic to make such claims, but there is no lack of empathy to consider that these situations can occur and have occurred to other people and that they might be applicable here. At the end of the day, no one here was present when the alleged events occurred. We're all relying on news reports and hearsay. > Also note that he is NOT "being sued for sweet money" but criminally charged by a prosecutor. They don't do that unless they have strong evidence and there's no compensation to victims in a criminal trial. Any evidence obtained in a criminal trial can be used in a civil trial with a lower burden of proof, even if one is acquitted in the former. Additionally, prosecutors have issued charges on exaggerated, or even fraudulent evidence before. The Innocence Project is a testament the consequences of zealousness and lack of impartiality that occurs in courts across the country. In what is likely a to be a he said/she said scenario, one should wait to examine how damning the evidence and testimony actually is so as not to come to a premature conclusion.
- jmeister 4y ago

syspec 4y ago

Wow that's a hell of an article! It just got crazier and crazier

synu 4y ago

https://archive.ph/ndp3N https://archive.ph/ndp3N for those without a subscription.

ripper1138 4y ago

> “He said it is so hard being him in the world because of his intelligence,” she later recalled.

lexapro 4y ago

>After Ms. Margis liked one of his Instagram posts in 2020, Mr. Price, who was 35, messaged her: “Happy Valentine’s Day beautiful!” This already is a huge red flag in my opinion.